[MD] The MoQ.org STRANGLES Creativity

[Platt Holden]

Hi Ham,

I don't understand your question. First you say the universe is in 
balance and that changes at the macro level are predictable. But then I 
presume you agree that the universe has changed through natural 
evolution whose next creation is totally unpredictable.  

In any case, the question is, "Why evolve?" Is your answer based on 
natural or supernatural forces? 

As for evolution in history of human kind, surely you'll agree it's 
better to be alive today than it was in the days of the caveman. Do you 
not see any improvement in man's condition since then? To what do you 
attribute this progress?

Best regards.
Platt
 
> Hi Platt --
> 
> Probably this question should have been directed to your thread on the
> Individual Level, but I'm curious as to how you reconcile your previous
> statements about individuals being the source of ideas and their
> experience being the start of everything ...
> 
> > Where in society does an idea reside before an individual
> > discovers it?
> 
> > The MOQ starts where we all start, with human experience.
> > Thus everything is a consequence of it.
> 
> ... with this recent statement to Gene?
> 
> > If everything was always in constant balance, nothing would
> > ever change. According to Pirsig, the system is tilted by Dynamic
> > Quality -- the life force that drives the system to create better and
> > better things.
> 
> I think most scientists would say that the universe is in a state of
> equilibrium, and that the most rapid changes occur at the
> micro-molecular level.  If this balance could not be maintained, we
> would have an unstable system bordering on chaos.  Most of the changes
> at the macro level are cyclic in nature, which makes them predictable by
> climatologists and astrophysicists.  I know that you and the Pirsigians
> equate this ordered system with Morality and, indeed, scientists often
> refer to the "beauty" they find in the physical laws that support a
> balanced universe.
> 
> Not so predictable is the history of mankind, where technological
> advances, regional grievances, and opportunists in power have been known
> to trigger sudden violence or war.  This, I suppose, is your
> "intellectual level" which runs hot or cold depending on the leaders in
> power.  I see no evidence of a "life force" in our nominally balanced
> universe driving the course of human affairs toward equanimity or
> betterness.  In fact, except for ecological problems perceived or
> politicized by world leaders, I see no connection between the
> intellectual decision-maker and the physical universe he lives in.
> 
> Perhaps you can show me how the creation of better things and the
> individuals' ideas that change history are affected or "tilted" by the
> natural world.
> 
> Thanks, Platt.
> 
> --Ham