[MD] The MoQ.org STRANGLES Creativity

[Platt Holden]

Hi Steve, 

> Platt depserately wants the MOQ to be a quick fix for moral problems,
> but balance is more difficult to achieve than merely saying that one
> level is morally superior than another.

No. Platt does not desperately want the MOQ to be a quick fix for moral 
problems. He does want to use it as a guide and as an explanation as to 
why some things are better than others.

> When thinking of the levels as
> types of people as Platt wants to do in a Wilberized "types of people"
> version of the MOQ, he needs to not just view the levels as types of
> people where the highest level is the best kind of person, but also take
> Wilber's idea of a "second-tier" perspective where one can stand outside
> this hierarchy of types of people and see how all of them are part of an
> evolutionary system where lower levels can either contribute to or
> hinder the evolution of higher levels, and that the roll of this second
> tier person is to support achieving the sort of balance that is
> condusive to evolution towards betterness rather than participating
> blindly in the us versus them warfare of the other "types of people." 

I have no objection to the idea that the lower levels provide support 
to the higher. Static latches are needed. 

> Pirsig hints at that sort of perspective when he says,
> "This creates the problem of getting maximum freedom for the emergence
> of Dynamic Quality while prohibiting degeneracy from destroying the
> evolutionary gains of the past.  Americans like to talk about all their
> freedom but they think it's disconnected from something Europeans often
> see in America: the degeneracy that goes with the Dynamic. It seems as
> though a society that is intolerant of all forms of degeneracy shuts off
> its own Dynamic growth and becomes static.  But a society that tolerates
> all forms of degeneracy degenerates.  Either direction can be dangerous.
>  The mechanisms by which a balanced society grows and does not
> degenerate are difficult, if not impossible, to define."

The drift of the U.S. seems to be toleration of all forms of 
degeneracy, except toleration of Christians.

Regards,
Platt