[MD] Bill's Intellectual Level

[Arlo Bensinger]

[Plattman]
Speaking of honesty and honor, you deliberately failed to mention the 
definition in Merriam-Webster: "Integrity -- a keen sense of ethical 
conduct - one's word as a guarantee of performance." You also failed to 
mention that Merriam-Webster cites Honesty as a synonym for Honor.

[The Jarloker]
Last point first. I did not "fail to mention" anything. I said of MW, "and 
only one mention of "honesty", at the very end of the page, as a "see in 
addition", not even part of the 10 meanings MW provides." "See in 
addition", I thought, was commonly understood to refer users to potential 
synonyms.

As to your first, well, I was looking for the particular word, "honor", and 
how it is used by Pirsig to support your claim. In doing so, I revisited 
the Pirsig quote you now claim links "integrity". In the full passage, I 
find no mention of "honor", "honesty" or "integrity".

"Gravitation is an inorganic pattern of values. Is science unconcerned? 
Truth is an intellectual pattern of values. Is science unconcerned? A 
scientist may argue rationally that the moral question, "Is it all right to 
murder your neighbor?" is not a scientific question. But can he argue that 
the moral question, "Is it all right to fake your scientific data?" is not 
a scientific question? Can he say, as a scientist, "The faking of 
scientific data is no concern of science?" If he gets tricky and tries to 
say that that is a moral question about science which is not a part of 
science, then he has committed schizophrenia. He is admitting the existence 
of a real world that science cannot comprehend. "

But, let me ask you this. If I, as a scientist, discover a means of 
producing a catastrophic biological weapon by using water and olive oil, 
and publish that on the Internet, does this make me a "man of honor"? Do I 
possess "integrity"? I've been "honest", to be sure. I haven't "faked" 
anything. I've told nothing but the "truth". So, do I possess honor and 
integrity?

[Plattman]
IMO, anyone who looks to pop music lyrics to bolster their arguments, 
whether from Johnny Cash, Dolly Parton or the Beatles, has a serious 
educational deficit. :-)

[Jarloker]
Or simply an appreciation for Quality.