[MD] The MoQ.org STRANGLES Creativity

Heather Perella spiritualadirondack at yahoo.com
Sat Jun 24 03:53:34 PDT 2006


Platt,


> <spiritualadirondack at yahoo.com>:
> 
> > Politics have been around for a long, long, long
> > time Platt.  They haven't changed much over the
> years.
> >  A culture might think that they are dominant and
> the
> > only ones worth the value of being called a
> > civilization and they perceive other cultures as
> > barbarians.  This idea of the Great Satan fits
> into
> > this kind of old perception.  This is the view of
> many
> > egotistical personnel within many cultures
> throughout
> > time.  China (Mongols were barbarians), Romans
> (all
> > others were barbarians), Greeks (all others were
> > barbarians), India (Brahmins and the caste system
> were
> > the best), Germans (the pure race), United States
> > (trade and follow a money system or else we blast
> you;
> > that's how the navy started, the guns pointed in
> the
> > Japanese harbor, a good Indian is a dead Indian,
> > McDonald's must be there or else civilization
> hasn't
> > yet reached them, etc...), Iroquois (you were
> either
> > with them or an enemy to be killed by them),
> Islamic
> > (Mohammad decided by the sword), etc... all had
> this
> > archetypal personality that motivated and embodied
> > their cultural quest at one time or another.

     Platt said:  "Lest this be interpreted to mean
that there are no
> moral differences among
> cultures past and present, I offer this reminder
> from Pirsig: "Cultures can be graded
> and judged morally according to their contribution
> to the evolution of life.
> A culture that supports the dominance of social
> values over biological values is an
> absolutely superior culture to one that does not,
> and a culture that supports the
> dominance of intellectual values over social values
> is absolutely superior to one
> that does not."

     That's probably why many of the cultures, though
hated by others, survive as long as they do.  It is
one thing to have universities and books at the book
store, but if a country isn't flexible enough to allow
for the individual blaze his/her own path consistently
and there must be some intellectual answer to why I
and others, must clean up the mess, the damage, that
have befallen many of our youth today.  Our facility
has only three beds open and a local, huge shelter has
139 beds with 164 or so youth.  They've laid out cots
into different rooms to provide a place to sleep. 
Another local facility is full.  We can
intellectualize all we want, but true
intellectualizing is in step with society and biology,
meaning, action must be taking place.  Yet, the goal
and archetypal personality in this culture is still $
and the business person.  Valuing the
person/family/home-life, and not having the work place
the center of communal life.  
     When will intellect and action be side by side
readily?  When our schedule, our quality of life, and
our work, etc... is in our hands.  We need to give
back to the community, but I really think that since
our population is so large order and organization,
thus reason, will take priority over quality so as the
growing mob on the one hand doesn't get out of hand. 
Control, as of now, is not coming from our intellect. 
It is coming from societies reins, and the reasons are
convincing.  To think of any changes that I would
like, are changes that are definitely outside the
current box (culture).  Do I have all the answers? no 
Is any of this local action to take place?  The Giant
convinces me that it can't, thus, control and force
outside ourselves applies the stress and societal
thinking that individuals and collectives do not have
enough moral/virtuous thinking, compassion, selfless
acts, and volunteering efforts, etc...  to do without
societies reins and whips.  I question it myself. 
Would we do much on our own, yet, how would we still
have cable TV, computers, Home Depot (for lumber and
home fixtures), paychecks, a police force, and much
else?  To have any of this society knocks at our door
and says we must leave the home, make work away from
the home the center of our lives, and the importance
of our goals in life.  So much so, how would our
grocery stores fill with food without somebody
delivering the food to the store everyday?  Society
calls us forth and convincingly we are to work more
and more, buy more and more to keep it alive so as to
not let the Giant die.  More is for the Giant,
society, than for our own back home at this time in
history.
     Would it be moral for any one of us to be able to
stand outside of society and say, no, I'm going to do
this today because my home life needs this now more
than anything or else the damage will continue, we can
not put this on hold, and the mess must stop?  Or
would we lose or jobs if we did this too much?
  

SA   

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