[MD] Emergent Consciousness

[ian glendinning]

Gene,

What you've said reinforces something I've been trying to say
elsewhere about the consciousness / free-will / etc. "is an illusion"
meme.

It's as real as "we" are. The illusory aspect, as you say, is that its
appearance is not what it seems from other aspects. It's real enough.

Ian

On 6/28/06, Dan Glover <daneglover at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone
>
> >From: "Gene M" <boredandunstable at gmail.com>
> >Reply-To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> >To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> >Subject: Re: [MD] Emergent Consciousness
> >Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:09:21 -0400
> >
> >On 6/24/06, Peter Corteen <psigenics at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't get that; if 'I' is illusory then how can it be part of reality?
> > >
> > > Regard
> > >
> > > Peter
> >
> >
> >Every illusion is part of Reality. If someone  creates a hologram, it's an
> >illusion, not the real object, yet if you tried to convince someone it was
> >not part of Reality they'd laugh to tears. It's right there, they can see
> >it. Sure it's an illusion, but the illusion Exists. It's Real. It just
> >isn't
> >what you think it is.
>
> Hi Peter, Gene...
>
> Let's say we can conceive phenomena three different ways: 1) we conceive an
> object as existing inherently in its own right; 2) we conceive an object as
> lacking inherent existence; 3) we conceive an object without believing it
> exists inherently or not. I think the MOQ would say only the first of these
> is wrong although the second choice might lead one to conclude the
> illusionary nature of reality is not dependent on cause and condition. We
> need a belief in the consequence of action to chose virtue and discard
> non-virtue.
>
> Thanks for your comments,
>
> Dan
>
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