[MD] Emergent Consciousness

[ian glendinning]

And to continue, to pick up on Dan's point,

Surely no MoQ'er can be concerned about the idea of anything existing
in it's own right. Everything that "exists" is emergent appearance.

Reality (ontology) is a red herring, a distraction.
Epistemology (knowledge) is what matters.

Ian

On 6/28/06, ian glendinning <psybertron at gmail.com> wrote:
> Gene,
>
> What you've said reinforces something I've been trying to say
> elsewhere about the consciousness / free-will / etc. "is an illusion"
> meme.
>
> It's as real as "we" are. The illusory aspect, as you say, is that its
> appearance is not what it seems from other aspects. It's real enough.
>
> Ian
>
> On 6/28/06, Dan Glover <daneglover at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello everyone
> >
> > >From: "Gene M" <boredandunstable at gmail.com>
> > >Reply-To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > >To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > >Subject: Re: [MD] Emergent Consciousness
> > >Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:09:21 -0400
> > >
> > >On 6/24/06, Peter Corteen <psigenics at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't get that; if 'I' is illusory then how can it be part of reality?
> > > >
> > > > Regard
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > >
> > >
> > >Every illusion is part of Reality. If someone  creates a hologram, it's an
> > >illusion, not the real object, yet if you tried to convince someone it was
> > >not part of Reality they'd laugh to tears. It's right there, they can see
> > >it. Sure it's an illusion, but the illusion Exists. It's Real. It just
> > >isn't
> > >what you think it is.
> >
> > Hi Peter, Gene...
> >
> > Let's say we can conceive phenomena three different ways: 1) we conceive an
> > object as existing inherently in its own right; 2) we conceive an object as
> > lacking inherent existence; 3) we conceive an object without believing it
> > exists inherently or not. I think the MOQ would say only the first of these
> > is wrong although the second choice might lead one to conclude the
> > illusionary nature of reality is not dependent on cause and condition. We
> > need a belief in the consequence of action to chose virtue and discard
> > non-virtue.
> >
> > Thanks for your comments,
> >
> > Dan
> >
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