[MD] Emergent Consciousness

[ian glendinning]

Well thanks for that ignorant presumptious caricature Platt, all your
own work, none of which I said ...

That kind of Idealism went out with the Ark .... even for redneck
conservatives ...

"Emergent Appearance" .... to anything "it" interacts with - we
MoQ'ers call it quality don't we - that dynamic interaction ? Why can
we never get past first base Platt ?

Appearance to humans is just our apparent privelidged position (from
our actual position) ... and all the anthropocentric confusions that
causes.

The tree in your back yard needs me to see it in order to be the tree
that I see. It's inherent existence is something quite different (from
the tree that you or I see) - it's the sum total (emergence) of all
the quality interactions of something somewhere sometime - exactly
what, where, when, we can never know (by definition) except by any
emergence we detect. How hard can it be ?

You need to read the Nagarjuna / Magliola stuff Paul had been
dissecting for us all, and at least understand why the Buddhist
perspective helps, and why the Z in ZMM matters. Don't worry it's not
a religion :-)

Just let go the irrelevant "illusion" of inherent existence.
Dive in, the water's lovely.

Now - "sensible" - a very good word ... we could do 2000 words on
that, but they'd be wasted, sadly. Sensible - Adj. Capable of being
sensed .... see above.

Ian

On 6/28/06, pholden at davtv.com <pholden at davtv.com> wrote:
> Quoting ian glendinning <psybertron at gmail.com>:
>
> > And to continue, to pick up on Dan's point,
> >
> > Surely no MoQ'er can be concerned about the idea of anything existing
> > in it's own right. Everything that "exists" is emergent appearance.
>
> Appearance to a human observer, I presume. Sounds like Idealism to me. A
> cardinal in my back yard depends on many things for her existence, but my
> looking at her is not among those things. It's like asserting that the moon
> is not there when nobody looks, or that Ian's very existence depends on his
> being an object of somebody's attention. Satisfying to the ego, perhaps, but
> hardly sensible.
>
> Platt
>
>
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