[MD] Emergent Consciousness
pholden at davtv.com
pholden at davtv.com
Thu Jun 29 03:36:52 PDT 2006
Quoting Gene M <boredandunstable at gmail.com>:
> Observation is not passive. It does in fact alter reality at a very basic
> level.
Alter or create reality? Many here argue that observations create reality, that
nothing exists until and unless it is perceived by someone or something. Of course,
such a notion raises the question, "Who creates the perceiver by perceiving the
perceiver? Or, who perceived what to create the Big Bang?
> > Would I exist if I did not observe myself? Honest question.
> >
> > Yes, but you'd be different.
>
> Very true. But I think it's interesting that I would still exist at all!
> Even if I were all alone, with no one to observe me, and I could not observe
> myself, then I would still exist.
When I'm alone I have no trouble observing myself. So I don't get your point.
> Platt:
>
> > Not unless you can explain interactions of what to what, how things
> > magically "emerge," and why.
> As I understand it, it's interactions between patterns of value. Any
> patterns of value. Any two patterns, from any levels, that interact, do so
> through the intermediary of Quality, and thus Reality emerges.
Can you give us a couple of examples?
Platt
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