[MD] Unreality of Equality

[Heather Perella]

Hello everybody, we are exactly discussing a topic, a
hands on topic.

     Arlo said:  "The totally unregulated market would
go right back to locking in a rich class, and locking
out a poor class."

     Pirsigs Victorian, right?

     Arlo asked:  "Let me ask you (since I know
Platt's answer). Should we abolish minimum wage laws?
Worker's compensation? Workplace safety regulations?
Anti-monopoly laws?  Product safety laws? I won't
argue that some of these as they exist couldn't use
rethinking, but should they all be tossed out the
window in favor of the invisible hand? When has it
historically done anything but further the power of
the rich over the poor? Can you give me any historical
example?"

     No, in this culture we need these laws.  Why? 
Well, why did the mob converge upon the kings?  Why
did many state battles within larger state-nations
exist?  King of the Hill.  In this case it is the
larger mass of people trying to take down the newer
kings of the hill via the government, which in theory
is an equalizer.  Before anybody goes off the deep
end, by equalizer I mean to keep the debates rolling
between the people not handed down with brute force
from the corporate king of the hills via their mighty
$ controlling even our quality time.
     I am also wondering if we are focusing upon the $
part to deal with the $.  Sure we need to take the
bull by the horns and go straight for the throat, but
why do we need to work 40 hours a week spread out into
5 days (at the minimum, maybe average work week)?  Who
came up with that?  Why couldn't we all work say 4
days a week?  A lot of people complain about
unemployment well here is one angle into solving this
issue.  Is it just plain lazy?  No, I think spending
time with the family, focusing on the home and the
neighborhood and not so much on work would lower the
production of products.  We could still consume, but
wouldn't have to consume as much because there
wouldn't be as much to consume.  Now what about
products coming from other countries where people work
for less $ and sell at cheaper prices?  We wouldn't
need to buy as much the market would dictate how much
is needed on the shelf.  In the end, wouldn't we still
be in the same system, maybe even having the same
problems, yet, working less.  Look at this way, what
if we worked more say 6 days a week, 48 hours a week
and that was the maybe average work week.  Does the
amount of time we work really change the conditions at
work?  Maybe not, but it would sure bring more
attention back home.  Isn't that where many of the
problems develop?  The children are not supervised as
much and people, like me, have to deal with their
issues since their parents couldn't for a number of
varying reasons.  Let's think about the workplace and
$, but let's not forget why we work and where the
attention maybe ought to be more focused upon - back
home.

     Arlo I also see your point about the invisible
hand and social Darwinism.  I also believe a
correlation exists between these two possible mirror
images.  Also as I stated above in more of a
definition than a concept, I agree with your concept
as quoted, "...U.S. government has become an
oligarchy..."

     khaled pointed out as well, "Most important of
all is that all the Checks and Balances were built
into the system to keep it running.
No new laws are needed, no overhaul is needed, use
what you have.
But in order to do that you have to turn your own
party members in and nobody is willing to do that.
And as someone pointed out ( Joseph I think), when
asking is democracy intellectual? Well it should be."

      Exactly Khaled, this is an excellent point! 
This is the wisdom I am talking about (wisdom is
knowledge put into action).  There is no action by
party members, thus, no wisdom, just knowledge passed.
 To get wisdom certain things do need pointed at,
follow their trail and connecting points to other
things and you will notice a system of workings that
will maybe not exclusively lead to the 'King of the
Hill'.  khaled, did you ever hear of that game?  When
I was younger I played that game a few times.  It is a
game that involves, what was us kids and a small
little mound of varying heights (could be only 3-5
feet high).  Somebody stands on top of the hill and
all the other kids run up the hill trying to push,
pull or somehow knock off the kid at the top of the
hill.  If you did, then you were king of the hill, and
everybody tried to then knock you down.  It was to me
just a kids game, but it seems to be an adult game now
on a new type of mound.

     Khaled, I noticed you have another posting with
questions.  I would love to read those now and answer
them to what I think, but I must go to bed, I work
early tomorrow.  I will get to them later.  This
discussion has really gathered some momentum.  We have
some other topics from February that still need some
loose ends tidied up as somebody mentioned about the
"Defining Art" subject.  Others that are lurking what
do you think of this train of thought we have going on
here, jump in anybody.  Some of the hands on and
concrete issues, at least for me,  as written by me,
yet, clearly and simply summed up with quality by what
khaled has been said as follows:  

     What I wrote in the last two Barbarian Attacks,
the last (Nude) Barbarians & Hippies, and even March's
Unreality of Equality even Platt is in agreement with
what khaled pointed out as the "pay to play" (Now
that's Clarity, thus, Quality insight by Khaled)
action of this culture.  Also what Khaled and Arlo
have pointed out in these recent postings in the
Unreality of Equality.  I do remember Arlo saying he
has tried to bring this topic up before and some began
to think he and others we're just left wing commies. 
There is definitely something more going on here than
mere surface relation of left and right wing
conversation.  Quality and Morality, as brought up by
Joseph and Khaled in last months subject heading "[MD]
Morality. Pin the tail on an invisible donkey." is the
deeper, beyond dualistic thinking, concern here.  Let
us not forget Marsha who really energized the MOQ at
the end of last month with her opening-up of "[MD] Ham
& swiss cheese".  Motivation is spinning off into
"[MD] NE Meeting" where people are trying to gather in
person to discuss MOQ.  Let's keep it going, because
we definitely could have Quality come to a point where
it is common sense in our culture.

Thanks Everybody,
SA  

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