[MD] Ham & swiss cheese

[LARAMIE LOEWEN]

Dan, you are the man.  Your last dance with Tarzan was perfect.  Thanks.

Larz
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dan Glover<mailto:daneglover at hotmail.com> 
  To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org<mailto:moq_discuss at moqtalk.org> 
  Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 12:55 PM
  Subject: Re: [MD] Ham & swiss cheese


  Hello everyone

  >From: Heather Perella <spiritualadirondack at yahoo.com<mailto:spiritualadirondack at yahoo.com>>
  >Reply-To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org<mailto:moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
  >To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org<mailto:moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
  >Subject: Re: [MD] Ham & swiss cheese
  >Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 11:09:35 -0800 (PST)
  >
  >Dan Glover,
  >
  >How do you know everybody can be materially rich?

  Wealth is the word I used. I know because 15 years ago I was flat broke. I 
  didn't have a pot to piss in and nary a window to throw it out of. I didn't 
  care about that stuff called money. One day I woke up from my stupor and 
  realized if I didn't take action I would end up a sad old loser, an "old man 
  with broken teeth stranded without love." (Bob Dylan)

  So I started to learn how others became wealthy. I picked up this old moth 
  eaten book at a garage sale on sale for a quarter. I bargained them down to 
  a dime since that's all I had. It was called "Think and Grow Rich" by 
  Napolean Hill. That little book completely changed my life. But I didn't 
  stop there. I started buying, borrowing, and stealing every book on building 
  wealth that I could find and I read every one of them time and again. Now, I 
  know. Believe it or not, I know.

  >  When I think materially rich I think of what the
  >richest person has and does, and he certainly does not
  >clean up after himself.

  Remember who you're talking to. I've cleaned up the god awfulest messes 
  you've ever seen. I've  been knee deep in cockroach infested garbage wearing 
  a respirator because of the stench. Let me tell you, it wasn't rich folk 
  making the mess. It was poor trashy people who didn't give a damn.

  >So don't we need people to
  >clean hotel rooms, houses, garbage, etc...

  That isn't true. Again, remember who you're talking to. One of my businesses 
  consists of cleaning up after people. It doesn't matter if they're rich or 
  poor...people make messes. It's wonderful! It never stops!

  >Yet, in
  >this culture will they get as much money as the person
  >we signs their paychecks and also rents apartments
  >over here for those people to live in, which he/she
  >gets that money back to play the stock market and
  >build a whole chain of fast food restaurants, just to
  >diversify, and on and on.  Your not making logical
  >sense.

  But at least I know the difference between your and you're!

  >Rich people need poor people to buy their
  >products or else if everybody was rich we could make
  >our own products and wouldn't have to buy them from
  >somebody else.

  Some of my clients are rich, some are not. I market to everyone.

  >I know these are simple notions I am
  >getting, but come on now, not everybody  can leave
  >behind the duties of being a butler, waiter, garbage
  >person, or working where I work, and still expect to
  >be as rich materially as say Bill Gates.

  Please tell me where I said you could leave behind your duties and expect to 
  be rich. You need to please pay attention. I talked about developing 
  multiple streams of income, not quiting your duties.

  >All of those
  >things need to be done, this culture is systematized
  >to have these job positions, they are here aren't
  >they?  There will be poor and rich in this culture
  >except it, or do you question this static pattern and
  >think it could change?

  I prefer being wealthy to being poor. You are free to make your own choice.

  >
  >      By the way I guess compassionate support is
  >something I expect from others too much and should not
  >think it has to come from others.

  I offer you profound knowledge that will change your entire outlook on life. 
  What have you offered me other than insults? Now, tell me, who is being 
  compassionate?

  >You think I would
  >have learn that by now from my job at least.  These
  >girls will make a lot seem like life or death and
  >argue or seem to hold on to every bit of what
  >manipulation they can achieve at times, but I should
  >motivate my own understanding and if somebody wants to
  >give a cold heart so be it.  I am a social creature
  >and relationships, supportive ones, are valuable to
  >me, but I know when somebody doesn't want to be
  >friendly and helpful to somebody.

  Do you? And how do you know that?

  >I know if somebody
  >thinks they know much more about something they might
  >get to the point where they want to just say "your
  >just dumb" (you imply this) or "quit your whining"
  >(you implied if not were explicit about this) etc...
  >and I guess their patience is short, their calmness is
  >lacking, and thus, their frustration is high - so my
  >question to you is - What is bothering you so much?

  I admit that I suffer fools poorly. It bothers me that all the wealth of the 
  world is laid out in front of us and yet so few see it.

  >Are you making (or faking) your life to be very rosy?

  I don't believe I ever said my life is rosy so there's no need to fake it. I 
  work hard and I put in an enormous amount of time to growing wealth. It is 
  my life. That's all I do, from the time I wake till I fall asleep. I even 
  dream about building wealth. Sure, I have problems just like everyone else. 
  I do prefer to act on those problems other than complain about them though. 
  And I read a great deal to educate myself. Sometimes I feel like sharing 
  what I've learned. If I come across as a pompous asshole, well, I guess 
  that's what I am.

  >Sorry to ask these questions you don't have to answer
  >if you don't want to, but I just wanted you to know
  >you come off this way to people.

  Yeah, well, we can't all be perfect.

  >I am surviving and
  >don't think you need to toughen me up or something.

  You've misconstrued my meaning. You came here complaining and I attempted to 
  suggest an alternative. You keep writing back so I assume you must have a 
  little interest in what I'm saying. If not, just ignore me and I'll go away. 
  It's true. Ask anyone here.

  >I
  >have faced a black bear, had a cougar to my back, and
  >caught in storms and walking situations while
  >backpacking that strengthen the spirit and bring out
  >the wits all on their own.  Yet, this culture is no
  >bear, sometimes I think it is a much larger monster at
  >that, and I survive.  I guess I am done talking about
  >$.  You are right about that.

  It is good to be right about something.

  >I don't need to focus
  >that much on things I don't value as much, sometimes I
  >just feel like sharing something, but I guess you are
  >not a listener.  If you could just please clarify some
  >of these questions throughout this posting if you
  >still want to discuss.

  Maybe you don't think I am listening because what I am saying isn't what you 
  expect to hear. You want someone to commiserate with you, right? I'm sure 
  you can find plenty of that from other people but not from me.

  >
  >      What is the difference between rich and wealthy
  >that you talk about?  I didn't know we were talking
  >about two things here.

  This is something you're going to have to learn yourself. But I assure you, 
  we are talking about two different things.

  >
  >      What is the difference between zazen and
  >meditation to you?  To me they are the same.

  Meditation concerns holding an image in the mind's eye. Zazen, nothingness; 
  emptiness.

  >Why do
  >you attach problems with meditation?

  To feel better.

  >You don't have
  >to *think* when you are experience a problem while you
  >are sitting you are now meditating, and when you are
  >not having a problem you do not have to start
  >*thinking* you are now zazen. (I put the * just to
  >emphasize where the change is taking place in your
  >experience)

  Well, the right practice of either does not concern thinking. Let's just 
  leave it at that.

  Dan


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