[MD] Hippies in Sodom and Gomorrah

[khaled Alkotob]

[SA]
> Is the conservative - static quality?  
> Is the hippiedom - dynamic quality?
> Or, is one or both of these closer to general Quality?

[khaled]
both are static

[SA]
>  So we are trying to delve to the
> root (as Khaled said) of the where and why we are
> approaching the discussion from a static or dynamic
> position.  Yet, the root itself where the distinctions
> come about in the discussion, are rooted in Quality
> itself, and that has any discussion have a certain
> appeal to Quality from either position involved.

It's the methods that I bring to question. 

New ones are needed because the current ones we have no longer work.

Also, as Pirsig had stated :
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He wrote in one paper, ``These aestheticians think their subject is some
kind
of peppermint bonbon they're entitled to smack their fat lips on;
something
to be devoured; something to be intellectually knifed, forked and spooned
up bit by bit with appropriate delicate remarks and I'm ready to throw
up.
What they smack their lips on is the putrescence of something they long
ago
killed.''
Now, as the first step of the crystallization process, he saw that when
Quality is kept undefined by definition, the entire field called
esthetics is
wiped out -- completely disenfranchised -- kaput. By refusing to define
Quality he had placed it entirely outside the analytic process. If you
can't
define Quality, there's no way you can subordinate it to any intellectual
rule.
The aestheticians can have nothing more to say. Their whole field,
definition
of Quality, is gone.

[ a few paragraphs later]

He had to answer the question, If you can't define it, what makes you
think it exists?
His answer was an old one belonging to a philosophic school that called
itself realism.``A thing exists,'' he said, ``if a world without it can't
function
normally. If we can show that a world without Quality functions
abnormally,
then we have shown that Quality exists, whether it's defined or not.''
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[Khaled]
In a sense, you have to become the Buddha, then YOU KNOW what's good or
bad.