[MD] independence

[khaled Alkotob]

[SA]
> 
>      'independence' might be of value to discuss.  The
> following quotes from others are from '[MD] Hippies in
> Sodom and Gomorrah'.
> 
>      Khaled said:  "It's the methods that I bring to
> question.  New ones are needed because the current
> ones we have no longer work."
> 
>      What methods do you bring to question?  Do you
> mean methods such as conservatism and hippiedom?

[Khaled]
No, methods of thinking that go deeper tot he root of the problem. We
never solve problem in this day and age on the fundamental level. The
band aid solution has to stop. Locking up Gang members is fine and dandy,
but when it's the social thing to do in certain social economic classes
you will find yourself running out of prisons. ( for you morons out there
I AM NOT SAYING DON'T LOCK THEM UP).


> 
>      Rebecca said:  "...(there are a lot of issues and
> we're busy people after all) just find out what your
> party seems to believe, broadly, and voilà: instant
> convictions... I guess what I'm trying to say is that
> things are always more complicated than ideology tries
> to make them...  Is the Good absolute or relational? 
> In my world Good never stands alone - whatever has the
> most Truth and the most Beauty is the highest Good.  I
> guess Quality is like a synthesis of these things -
> that's why it's a bit hard to get your head around."
> 
>      I don't know, this made me think of something
> (which is the path we are looking for, a path that
> allows YOU to think).  I am an independent, but what
> does that mean?  It is not the 'independent party'
> that I hear about, because I have no idea whatsoever
> what that party stands for.  Yet, here is how I would
> like to enter the political mainstream.  Would it ever
> work?  You tell me.  Here it is.
>      I would like some kind of communication center
> where people can show up, debate, and discuss issues -
> a forum.  It needs to be organized, and mechanisms
> would need to be in place for any collective actions
> to take place.  So far so good (according to today's
> current U.S. culture, in a sense).  Here's were large
> diverges take place.  The whole society needs to be
> able to have their input occur.  They don't need to
> always be involved, because we work and have other
> jobs.  Yet, a certain issue arises and we 'log-on' to
> the forum, the debate begins, and somehow collective
> action takes place.  We INDEPENDENTLY use our own
> minds and thoughts to state our opinions.  Something
> either doesn't interest us or we don't know about he
> issue at stake so we don't enter the forum.

[Khaled]
That's where the Spherical thinking comes in.
Here is a far fetched example. You may be a parent of 2 kids who is
running around like crazy trying to raise a family and make ends meet.
There are some issues that need tending to at the school board but you
don't have the time. How can you help you may ask? Well how about not
throwing trash out of the car window. Now the city does not have to pay
to have that trash removes and that money can be channeled toward the
school and because the school has enough money, the school board meetings
are not as stressful and things get done. Your presence there is no
longer required.

http://www.ebweb.at/ortner/images/img02024.jpg

the above is a photo of a termite hill. if this was enlarged to human
scale it would be 2 miles wide at the base by 5 miles high.

There is no master plan
there is no leader
There are no blue prints
There is no central comity
There are air shafts, tunnels, storage for food, nurseries and so on.

Yet this thing gets built. How?
Well here is my theory. The spherical thinking. Every living creature is
working for the common good. Whether your contribution is passive or
active, as long as it's a "good" contribution society will benefit in the
end.

It's do the right thing at you end. Even if you don't communicate that to
the rest, in the end the good will come out.

Khaled