[MD] The differentiating nothingness

[platootje at netscape.net]

Hold your horses....

No really, move on to value if you 2 (Ham and SA) agree but here I 
go....

SA said:

  Ham and Peter,

     Ham said:  "...by simply removing nothingness you
would theoretically eliminate being and have Essence."

     Yep!  I get it.  The freedom to do so (that is
remove nothingness), that choice.  Here I notice the
undefined slipping through the cracks providing an
eternity of discussion by us or maybe 14 billion years
of discussion to show how that black cherry was
(carved out), but what of Essence before 14 billion
years of existence - so much here.  This undefined
quality, that's what I see dynamically slipping into
static being.
     Yeah, if you want I think I'm ready to move onto
Value.

Me:
Well if you just change the word 'Nothingness' here with 'negating' I 
could agree.
I would like to se an analogy that's been in my mind for quite some 
time...

Picture a white sandy beach, and focus on a flat piece of beach with 
fine white sand, completaly undisturbed. Call this Essence. Now picure 
a comb movinf from one side to the other leaving fine  parallel lines 
behin. This comb is our awareness, our now, our negating, our valueing, 
our turning dynamic quality into static. Where this comb moves we say 
'this is thios and that is that', we acknowledge the unequality of 
things, we sepearate them from each other. In front of behind the comb 
it's the same beach, the same grains of sand, only we believe it to be 
different.

Now picture no beach, and nothing else.... that's nothingness...

SA:
     Peter, remember Ham, (maybe Reiner), and I
talking about all this physical stuff existing and
being 'carved out' by nothingness.  Nothingness is an
actual 'thing' in our discussion, is that right Ham?
It comes about by choice, choice made by Essence
itself negating, thus separating itself using
nothingness to do so.  With these separations being
done by choice by Essence using nothingness,
individuals come about.  This is the stuff of quality.

Me:
I don't agree, Essence does not negate itself. Essence is pure 
undivided, dynamic quality.
We experience separation in time and space because we create existence. 
Time and space are illusionairy concepts, constructs of the human mind. 
Because we need that concept.

Kind regards,

Reinier.
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