[MD] The differentiating nothingness

[platootje at netscape.net]

SA,

I somehow feel you have the same problems with Ham's thesis as do I, 
only we voice it differently. I came here because I read ZMM and Lila, 
but I've found the discussions with Ham much more interesting then the 
constant Moral's debate (with all the poliics involved and everything)

Ham is a very well voiced, intelligent human being. I consider 
discussing with him a challenge and I still hope to convince him at 
some points. For me the Moq is one source of 
information/disinformation, my own ideas are influenced by Pirsig but 
by no means limited to the MoQ. I hold an interest in Eastern 
Philosophy (I used to meditate as well), Quantum physics, some religion 
but not the institutionalized version of it. There is a picture growing 
in my mind that starts to connect all the dots. My only problem is 
getting this pictures out and describing it in words for others to 
understand.
Sometimes I have the urge to discuss my views, sometimes (and I just 
went through such a period) I have the urge to withdraw and contemplate.

So basically, what I'm saying is, don't give up too soon on this 
discussion, as a whise philosopher once said (or was it Karen 
Carpenter): We've only just begun....

-----Original Message-----
From: Heather Perella <spiritualadirondack at yahoo.com>
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Sent: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 03:22:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [MD] The differentiating nothingness

  Ham,

     Your right, we did discuss the 'eternal now'
before.  This is what is difficult for me.  I am
willing to use or explore a philosophy to understand
the philosophy, but once the philosophy doesn't
become, let's say for lack of better word right now,
'natural' to me then I find it hard to remember, and
even become useful.  I think I mentioned to you before
how I have too many questions.  The philosophy did
become interesting, but it seems to come from you too
much.  It does not seem to be, 'the way it is', aside
from your explaining, but that doesn't mean your
thesis is not 'the way it is'.  Your philosophy has
naturally become something 'natural' to you.  Maybe it
is the philosophy explaining creation that all would
need to heed to someday.  I have never given up on
that idea.  This whole idea of negation always
happening in the 'one long now' that is hard to grasp.
 I understand for me to even grasp that idea is become
Essence itself, which we are not, and therefore I
would not be able to grasp it.  Yes, I did say I did
get it.  I thought I did have it, but then I threw in
those ideas about choice and bam I seemed to be right
back where we started.  Believe me, not intentional.
     I like Pirsig's MOQ.  It has become 'natural' for
me.  I meditate, as I mentioned to you before some
time ago.  When I read Pirsig it seemed to fit my
previous understanding of the world, and Pirsig
enhanced it.  Not so much change, but enhancement or
clarification became MOQ role in my life.
     Since your thesis, is your thesis, and obviously
you know much more about it than I, then I have
something to ask from you.  If you could (1) show me
how your thesis fits in with Pirsigian metaphysics or
(2) show me how your thesis does not fit with
Pirsigian metaphysics, then maybe I would better be
able to decide or understand which metaphysics suits
me best.  I have not meant to draw this discussion
onward for months, but it just seems I've gotten to a
point where I would rather focus on Pirsig only
because I understand it more.  If you could provide
clarity to the comparison between your thesis and
Pirsigs, then I would be able to decide better as to
what is going on between the two as both have become
involved in my life and in discussion on the MOQ.org.
Without trying to explain my situation anymore, I hope
you understand where I am coming from and will assist
me in this comparison that I am 'naturally'
undertaking now.

SA

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