[MD] God is dead.

[Margaret Warren]

And Jimi thus spoke:

"Until we give up the love of power, we will not know the power of love."
Jimi Hendrix

Paul was the first used car salesmen. 
My interpretation is that in the New Testament,  
Jesus told all the disciples that none 
of them were 'getting' it' - none of them
ever completely understood or conceived of the beauty of the message. 

EXCEPT perhaps Thomas, who's gospel wasn't published -
I think there is a Harvard biblical scholar I've heard of
who has studied this gospel and concluded that it wasn't published 
because it put much of the responsibility for finding love and peace
in your own heart back into your own hands. Paul 
wanted to "sell" people on the idea that you
could find peace by getting saved through the idea of Jesus
and thus allowed you the ability to hand over responsibility for 
yourself to someone else. It helped that
not everyone could read and you had to tithe to a priest to
get this sense of peace. 

IMO, the bible has a great deal of interesting parables and concepts
in it, but as Marsha said - it was written by fallible men -
and we each take what we want from it. The way I look at it,
Jesus was a really cool hippie dude with a nice message (mostly
gathered from Eastern beliefs). AFTER he died (and all of the
other mumbleejumbo), a bunch of people
(namely Paul) figured they could make a profit off of riding
on his coattails. 

You know the joke about God & the Devil having a conversation about
this cool thing called love and how they should share it with 
the humans on earth and the Devil said, "good idea - you create
the idea and I'll organize it". 

As far as I'm concerned, 
considering ALL of the suffering that is STILL happening at
the hands of Christianity, Paul embodies the devil.

Marsha said to Robert:
>I am not surprised at your reaction.  I might be interested in your 
>views of the MOQ.

I too am curious...what's a Christian religious zealot doing in our midst?

I like what Peter said:
>The moq I see as an attempt to try to say some things about quality that we
can all agree on and
 >thereby create a moral framework that can be used to help resolve complex
issues.

I don't know if we'll ever be able to "agree" on quality. In fact sometimes
I am of the
opinion that some people on this group wouldn't know quality if it hit them
right
smack in the head. But I think Peter is right, a more thorough discussion of
Quality is what we're trying to accomplish here - including spiritual
overtones is natural, but I think
bringing the religious evangelism into it just moves us back into the dark
ages. 

mm


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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Peter Corteen
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 4:21 AM
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Subject: Re: [MD] God is dead.


Hi Robert,

Religious people are taught the constraint that they are powerless in the
face of their 'God'. Realising atheism returns the knowledge that we can
'do' and we have choice and will. As Don Quan said to Carlos: 'Power
commands you, but you command power'.

Peter
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