[MD] God is dead.

[Robert Warlov]

On 3/21/06, Peter Corteen <psigenics at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> If for you 'God is love' then let's just talk about love and leave 'God'
> out
> of it.
> There is an obvious etymological connection: God - good, Devil - evil;
> therefore God exists, what an elegant proof!


That is and is not proof of the existance of God.  God as a concept exists
in the same way the death of God as a concept exists.  I agree we can leave
God out of it.  Let me ask you if you believe in Good.

You said 'according to the bible...'; you shouldn't expect me to give
> special bias to anything in that book.


You can do anything you like with it.  I just hope you've read it and not
accepted what others have said second hand.

You said 'Scientifically speaking, Quality suffers from the same problem God
> does; neither can be measured'; I disagree, we are each of us individually
> assessing quality all the time - that is what all life is.



Scientists would disagree with you.

Trouble is that
> my good is not necessarily the same as your good (one man's meat is
> another
> man's poison). The moq I see as an attempt to try to say some things about
> quality that we can all agree on and thereby create a moral framework that
> can be used to help resolve complex issues.
>
> I would never say that 'I believe in Quality' as you suggested, it is not
> like some guiding light that I put faith in. I try to cut out faith in my
> thinking when ever I can.


I agree it's not a religion. It's a tool that allows us to better understand
relationships and how objects (patterns of value) come into being..  What I
meant to suggest was that the unititiated would view it that way.

You also said 'Religion teaches biological constraint in order to realize
> the benefits derived from collectivization.' Glad you admit that religion
> is
> really a kind of social glue;


It was the MOQ that revealed this to me.  Persig pointed out that one can
hardly be insane in a culture of one person.  That's true of sin also.  Most
sins require a victim.  Religion was the pattern that allowed cultures to
"latch", protecting the gains that were achieved.

however when groups begin to form exclusion
> and prejudice begins.
>
> You said 'If one understood, for instance, the harm that stealing did to
> the
> victim, he would not steal'. I don't agree, it is much more complex than
> that.


A great thinker once pointed out that it would be wise to do for others
those things you would want them to do for you.

'the fear of God stood as a great warning to them' - oh dear.


Societies were formed because of horrific barbarisms perpitrated upon one
group by amother.  Do you think the savages could have been molified, or
their savagry migtigated by telling them that God is Love?

' Just keep comin' Jesus
> Your the best dressed
> You look dandy in the sky but you don't scare me
> Cause I got you here in my eye'
>
> 'God would exact payment for such evil and destroy the thief.
> Pragmatically
> speaking, whichever method works is good.' - so much for the benevolent
> 'God'.
>
> 'Death is truly the great constrainer of us all.  My religion frees me
> from
> that.' - you contradict yourself.


My religion says that death is a lie.

Peter
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