[MD] The differentiating nothingness

[Ham Priday]

Hello SA --


You're beginning to speak like a true Pirsigian -- probably without even
realizing it.

Look at what you are saying ...

> Maybe quality is not alone in being able to describe
> and fit with everything in reality.  Consciousness is
> another concept that fits with everything, yet, does it
> emanate from everything as well?

Consciousness "fits" with everything only because it experiences everything.
It doesn't "emanate" at all.  It is the awareness of your self.  Do YOU
emanate?

And, would you ever have said this before you started reading LILA?

> Maybe, it would be difficult to say rocks have consciousness,
> yet, how would we be able to detach the realm of consciousness
> from anything we come to know since consciousness is
> always present in order for us to become knowledgeable
> about anything?

"The REALM of consciousness"?   Since when is consciousness a realm?   Since
you became indoctrinated to the MoQ -- that's when.

> Quality seems to be similar to this kind of understanding.
> Quality cannot be detached from anything in reality, thus,
> quality is everywhere in reality (beingness or existence).
> Yet, its undefine-ability found in DQ patterns where
> creativity sprouts is where existence comes into being.

What we perceive as "quality" is the value of a thing to us.  Quality
doesn't hang out in "DQ patterns" floating around in existence.  It's your
own feeling of being pleased or disappointed with what you experience.
Unless you are using quality to mean the specific "properties" of a thing
(not what Pirsig meant), it is your experience of its value.

> DQ is actualization of something that wasn't and now is.
> This type of description of actualization I would say
> mirrors your negation or differentiation of Essence.

Actually, I think SQ is supposed to be the actualized mode of existence.

> Could we go any further into understanding how DQ does
> what it does or how something is negated (Essence is
> negated)?  I am leaning towards no, because things
> negated would be as far as our intellect would take
> us.  Existence is as far as our intellect goes.  To
> actually know something before or while it is negating
> would not be appearing, knowable, and definable.

Of course we can't "know something" before it exists.  We can't even know
absolute truth. But we can know the paradigm or scheme for creation.  That's
what a metaphysical concept is; it's not hallucinating about pre-negated
things or about extending your intellect into the essential source.  It's
not about putting yourself into a trance and dreaming about a fantasy world.
It's making logical inferences about what we can't describe or imagine.

SA, you used to make sense to me.  Now that you've let the MoQ levels into
your thinking, you talk of attaching yourself to Consciousness and about
Quality as "the DQ patterns where creativity sprouts."  Frankly, you've lost
me.  That is not my conception of existence, and it's all gibberish to me
from here on.

I predicted this would happen when you became indoctrinated, and it clearly
has.  You have adopted 'Qualityspeak' as your own language, and we just
can't communicate anymore.

Good luck,
Ham