[MD] False Messiah

[Heather Perella]

Hello Scott,


> SA said:
>      Are you saying the world is non-spatiotemporal
> without reason (consciousness and value; the latter
> two according to what you are saying are the same as
> reason)?
> 
> Scott:
> I'm afraid I don't follow this question. What do you
> mean by 
> "non-spatiotemporal without reason"? I'm just saying
> that sense perception 
> turns the non-spatiotemporal (the quantum) into the
> spatiotemporal (the 
> world we see, hear, touch, taste and smell).
 
     What I am saying is 'non-spatiotemporal without
reason', yet, with reason we have spatiotemporal
existing in our lives, in our perception, and thus,
the way we see the world.  The former
('non-spatiotemporal without reason') does not exist
due to us having reason.

> SA said:
>      Thus, if you are saying yes to the above
> question, then you are saying perception is tied to
> how we view the world, thus, our values placed by
> perception will be found in photons, neutrons,
> etc...,
> and this is how value is found in these latter
> (which
> these latter [photons and such] usually thought of
> strictly absent of moral and value pieces of the
> world
> would actually have morals and values due to our
> reasoning tied with these particles?
> 
> Scott:
> How can we "find value" in photons and such if they
> are not perceived? Of 
> course, the theory of photons and such is a valuable
> theory, but I assume 
> that is not what you are talking about. Again, I
> don't understand you.

     What do you mean photons are not perceived?  We
see light.  Sure we don't see a photon as a particle
or wave, but we notice the larger scale version called
light.  Maybe you are stating that photons are
filtered out via experiment and we do use theory to
guide us into having these 'things' we call photons. 
Maybe you are saying as long as the theory holds, we
value photons or the theory of photons.  I guess maybe
I am jumping from theory of photon to photon itself at
times.  So using theory of photons (theory is our
perception, our reasoning) to notice photons (as long
as our reasoning holds up, or in other words, as long
as the theory of photons holds up) then our reasoning
is not just valuing, but supporting something we call
photons.  Our value of photons, is in other words, our
reason and consciousness of photons, thus, photons
exist as long as we value and perceive photons as
existing.  Is this what you are saying?

>      Scott said:  "My claim is that sense perception
> creates reality in this dimensional structure, so
> consciousness is not itself a dimension but the
> creator of dimensional structure. A photon is a
> physicist's construct to help explain the behavior
> of
> light in this dimensional structure, so it is not a
> dimension either."

> SA said:
>      If what I said above is correct, then your
> above
> statement sums up your voice on this understanding.
> As long as I am understanding what you are saying
> correctly?
 
> Scott:
> Since I don't understand what you said, I have no
> idea whether you are 
> understanding what I said.

     I am trying to understand.  Let's see how this
works out.

SA

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