[MD] False Messiah (Evolution of Consciousness)

Heather Perella spiritualadirondack at yahoo.com
Thu Mar 30 16:20:06 PST 2006


Scott and others,

     Scott said:  "Careful. In creating the
spatiotemporal world we do not sense the quantum
world. Look at this way. If I look at a text of
Chinese, all I see is something spatiotemporal, namely
the characters, since I don't know how to read
Chinese. Someone who does know Chinese will look
through the characters and experience the mind behind
the text. Physicists, before QM, were simply measuring
the characters. With QM, they have gone deeper, but
not to the mind behind the text. They have realized
that the processes that produce the 
characters cannot be accounted for within the
structure of the characters, that there is more to the
universe than its spatiotemporal appearance.  Dropping
the analogy, with mathematics it is possible to create
symbols for a superposition of states, but no one can
"sense" such a superposition."

     Yes, we do not sense the quantum world. 
Physicists and others have detected the quantum world
via intellect.  How this can happen is to go into the
depths of our intellect and to understand our
intellect.  Asking such questions as, what is
intellect?  Yet, to do so would be to explain
intellect using characters (in a spatio-temporal
world).  Yet, all is not lost, because characters come
together to form meanings.  I don't sense meanings and
see meanings jumping out of sky alone, unless, I use
intellect.  We have intellect and can use intellect. 
Intellect is capable of 'sensing, detecting, and
explaining' this world of meanings.  Wouldn't you say?
     It's funny.  I wrote this above, and then read on
in your posting.  I am talking about meanings and what
is the first sentence in the next paragraph of yours -
"Barfield's thesis is that prior to the rise of
intellect in human beings, people were able to sense
meaning "behind" the world of spatiotemporal
appearances, which is to say, they perceived nature as
the expression of spirit."  I'm going to read on and
then finish this post.

     I've read on...

     Scott said:  "The earlier state he called
"original participation", and he believes that we are
moving toward a state called "final participation",
where we recover that lost spirit. To do so requires
not giving up thinking but strengthening it. The
problem with original participation was that the human
being had little self-control -- the spirit world
governed the individual. Merrell-Wolff points out that
thinking gives command. Hence, by strengthening our
thinking (disciplining it, which is what meditation
does), we are preparing ourselves to recover the
meaning behind the sense appearances, but with the
ability to maintain self-control."

     On my journey that I took some years ago that
I've explained in other posts, to summarize - I walked
in the woods and camped much.  I wrote a book about my
experience, which includes the very real imaginative
world where thought-experiment, self-identity,
meanings, role-playing (having characters act out
discussions I would have in order to learn by myself
in a storyline), and so forth, I came along a
conclusion for myself.  The book went from age 15 to
age 24 or so.  I collected writings that I kept, read
over them, and out came the heart, mind, and what put
it all together at the end of the journey (that
continues in a 'one long now' or 'ever-present' kind
of ending that doesn't end) was spirit.  Spirit
explained a lot for me, such as when I see a dead body
at the funeral home, what is missing, I would say
spirit.  What is fundamental to breathing and thus,
breathing becomes another aspect of it - I would call
it spirit.  
     The point is, this combination between
strengthening of thought and spirit, the 'final
participation' would not just go along with what my
dad talked about, which is human beings are evolving,
he would say we are spiritually evolving.  If I read
between the lines in your last quoted above paragraph
might I be noticing (with the mind's eye), having
thought, clear mind (which is important for me because
sometimes it's restful and to sit back and live
without THINKING.  I capitalize THINKING because I
still have thoughts come and go yet I'm not stuck on
any particular one during these times.), and spirit
(meaning or putting it all together, a summing up of
sorts). come into play on the conscious level
(intellectual level) is a commanding action.  
     I want to rest and clear my mind - I do so.  I
want to think about something in particular - I do so.
 I let the meanings (spirit) roll on in from somewhere
(DQ is a good explanation for me as to the question of
where) infused with the thoughts (characters) as they
come and go in my clear mind experience.  At times the
spirit puts 'things' together in such a way that more
clarity to an event, on any level, chimes through in a
creative way.  How spirit, thought, and clear mind all
tune together in this dance, the meanings of their
relationship, the whole event of them taking place,
and we are conscious of these actions as we may sit by
a fire (as I did today) is an experience.  This
experience in having these very same interactions
(between spirit, thought, clear mind) was taking place
with me as 'wonder filled with awe' constrained by
balance not allowing any one of them to override the
others.  This power of balance?  Another question for
perhaps another time.
   Thus, as I sat by the fire near the creek in the
woods, thoughts would begin to form, yet, I didn't
want to close off the meaning from being seen (mind's
eye) as the clear mind would show the coming and going
action is a well-spring of depth.  Thought is
strengthened by its' collapse and regrowth - like the
heart beating in a vigorous exercise, only getting
stronger.  Of course, the balance of the exercise is
helpful.  Let a thought grow too large and then the
eventual collapse that will undeniably occur could be
quite a boom or shock on ones perspective.  Not
allowing enough thought to grow into a noticeable
form/character so the character could be noticed and
defined during some point in time, that would be too
much of a headless, confusing, and as you stated,
losing our command and control encounter - in other
words, our focus upon the moment may become distracted
and I really don't want to go too far off-track from
what I value in life.


SA   

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