[MD] French ingredient in the soup of sentiments

[Joseph Bromley]

Hello S.A, and all MOQers


      Joseph said:  "Democracy is intellectual, from
the point of view of the maths, science and psychology
involved in maintaining a democratic government."

S.A.      We do not live in a democracy in the U.S.  We
>live in a Republic.

Joseph. I run the risk of sounding pedantic but the US of A is not a 
Republic, in the sense that Ancient Greece, early Rome and Renaissance Italy 
had Republics, there there where intellectuals, a Republic from my 
perspective is a form of government run by the intellectual elite. Authority 
and eductaion eminate down through the ranks.

S.A.  Does this change anything in our
>current discussion?
  It depends on who we vote into
>office.  What is their level of application?  Are they
>strictly social or intellectual?  (JCB prdominately social, though they 
>spend a lot of time on the biological according to the media tittle tattle, 
>and if maths and science are the foundations of MoQ's definition of 
>intellectual then they have access to that level as well. However I am yet 
>to see a modern politician look Intellectual, where they have the object 
>they are talking about in their mind and can look at it from numerous 
>angles. It is seen in the eyes, when it is in play. Most politicians trade 
>on the social, which for a democratic party is sensible, they have to have 
>the masses on their side. Independant intellect brings out resentment in 
>the masses, thus in todays age intellectuality is political suicide, which 
>throws more doubt on the long term validity of democracy. Everything 
>changes, democracy will not reign indefinately. Is it not already running 
>out of ideas?)

S.A. Now-a-days who is intellectual in Washington, seemingly nobody.  Even 
if
>they didn't do much I would give them credit, but
>since the system depends on them doing a lot then a
>flaw exists.

(Not one politician alive today has a grasp of the giant, I do not think any 
of them see it, let alone capable of taking it to peices. Which someone at 
some point is going to have to do to pull mankind out of the mire.)
>
>      Joseph:  "Democracy is the current dominant force
>in government, more and more countries are becoming
>democratic, either through choice or having it forced
>apon them.  This does not mean that the politicians
>on show are intellectual, George W Bush as the prime
>example. This does not mean that the people voting in
>democratic elections are intellectual, religiously and
>ideologically blinkered people vote around the world.
>If the intellect is to achieve dominance over the
>social level can it do so with having to go cap in
>hand to those on the social and biological levels for
>validation? Is that not immoral by MOQ morality?"
>
>      Excellent point.  It is immoral.  Since the
>social is dictating the intellectual in a republic,
>via votes and politics, then where is the niche for
>the intellect in a large society?

Joseph. There appears to be no niche today. But state, a form of giant is 
becoming more powerful, me guess is that it will become even more so over 
the coming years. It will clamp down on personal freedom, a good thing, if 
the process is exploited properly, the same problems will remain, none of 
those involved will have the intellectual gumption of how to turn the ship 
around. Who will they turn to, when it finally dawns on them? The superman? 
Those that possess intellectual quality in abundance, who live apart, in 
self sufficient communities, independantly of any state, whilst still having 
tendals in the state machinary.
>
>      Joseph:  "Is a national figure not of higher
>value than a journalist or the average reader of a
>newspaper?"
>
>      No, and I think that's your point.  The social is
>being valued higher than the individual where the
>intellect works.  The intellect can work socially, but
>not vice versa where the social hand shaking in
>Washington shapes the kind of intellectual
>development.
>      Sometimes I wonder if Washington was caught in
>debate where nothing much was happening and their
>influence upon society was diminished because of the
>arguing that, that would actually be better.  Yet, a
>system, the giant, is currently dependent on the
>social representatives passing bills.  If they
>couldn't do much anymore because argumentation is
>paralyzing legislation, then wouldn't we notice DQ.
>People would be putting in their votes and the
>opinions are made, yet, the actions due to the
>diversity of people's knowledge and desires could
>actually benefit a DQ event.  People would notice
>their opinions on the debate table being put into
>play, back and forth, the debate could go, and people
>would then realize that what they want and what others
>want is not going to happen.  Therefore locals will
>have to make more decisions on their own where
>geography might cut-down on the diverse opinions on
>the national level.  These are all if's, with no
>current reality.  Sure the bipartisanship in
>Washington has become more center stage, but bills are
>still passing.  This was just a thought.
>
>SA
>

Questions for debate, do the masses have to be involved in politics? Is 
there not enough, matters of more pressing concern to be thinking about? 
Should the political judgement of someone like Lila, who is socially poor, 
and intellectualy no where have a say in matters of grand politics?

Viva la intellectual evolution.
The road may be hard, but everything of value comes at a cost. Let us be the 
first to pick up the burden that keeps on being put off, to no longer pass 
the parcel from generation to generation. Some one at some time is going to 
have to get the ball rolling, hwy not now? There is only now!

Regards

Joseph (JCB).
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