[MD] Static latching & faith

[Heather Perella]

Hello dmb, dm, and others,

> SA asked:
> SQ is quite meaningless?
> 
> dmb answers:
> No. I have an understanding of static quality. Its
> DM's explanation of 
> "borders" that I don't understand.
> 
> SA asked:
> Now whatever it (sq) means to you, does it ever come
> and go on any Pirsig 
> level?
> 
> dmb answers:
> I don't know what "come and go" is supposed to mean
> here. And I don't know 
> what DM meant by it either. In fact, "come and go"
> is one of DM's vaguely 
> poetic phrases that I complained about in the first
> place. What's the deal? 
> You guys are posting from a keg party and you're all
> falling-down drunk, 
> right? Is that it? Well, that really hurts, man. Why
> wasn't I invited? Oh 
> wait, I know why. Its a party for people who
> actually enjoy strings of 
> vaguely poetic phrases...

     Yeah, you missed it!  It was awesome stuff!  All
that non-alky beer... wow... I'm getting dizzy...
wait... BBBBBAAAAMMMMM!  


> SA said:
> I know SQ is not meaningless, maybe DQ, yet, that
> could even be argued 
> against.  SQ is full of definition having all sorts
> of lines and borders 
> encasing something that delineates it with a value
> that is not nameless (DQ) 
> but has identity.
> 
> dmb says:
> More seriously and with less cruelty, I agree that
> sq is full of definitons, 
> but other than that I really don't know what you
> mean either. And for pretty 
> much the same reason that I'm not getting DM's
> meaning either. Encasing 
> something that delineates it? Huh? 

     Sometimes poetry has a way of drawing something
up that is mystical, which is of good quality.  I
understand the vagueness your talking about, and if dm
meant something more specific than what I am about to
explain, then dm you can explain your assumptions to
us.
     To encase or delineate?  A square does this, so
does a triangle.  These are geometrical shapes, very
mathematical.  Thus, the definition provided by the
lines making the borders of these shapes define
something that is mathematically called geometry,
nothing vague about that.  And these shapes, squares,
circles, triangles, etc... are delineated by these
lines and borders.

>  dmb contines:  "DQ is maybe
> meaningless but is not 
> nameless and has identity? Huh?

     DQ is named, but that name is not what DQ is. 
Try to give an exact name to DQ that is full of
precise definition.  Identify DQ, not the no-thing
which cannot be identified.  I am talking about the DQ
that is exactly DQ, but since DQ is a no-thing or
something vague, or in other words, DQ is that aspect
of quality that when you ask, "What is quality?" and
can't fully answer the question then you are trying to
describe the DQ aspect of quality that you cannot
fully answer and therefore provide definition.

> dmb goes on:  "I have no idea what
> that's supposed to mean. 
> I thought DM use of the word "borders" was supposed
> to mean something in the 
> context in which he said it, which was a comment
> about transcendence and the 
> inadequacies of scientific empiricism with respect
> to transcendence. Is that 
> what you're talking about?"

     Ooops, maybe I stuck my head in something I have
no idea about and I apologize, because I have no idea
what that means.  So, no that's not what I'm talking
about, maybe.  Maybe, because I don't know exactly
what dm is saying here.

> dmb continues:  "If you're trying to help
> out there, I appreciate 
> it. But I just don't see it because I don't know
> what you mean."

     This is what I meant, and poetry will do this at
times, which makes it full of quality.  Poetry can be
vague and somehow poetry shows the DQ aspect of
quality even though you are using words, which words
usually have this more SQ, but in poetry the mystical
comes into view and you can have full fledged quality,
DQ and SQ.  You have to watch out for poets who try to
say things with mystery, and even try to sound vague
and 'off-the-wall' on purpose in order to get the
reader to see DQ.  To shock the mind into a DQ
experience.  Poets will do that, I will do that at
times.  I'll say something that seems to have nothing
to do at all with what we're talking about just to
encourage the the words to jump off the page and to
hopefully get the reader to think for him or her self.
 I'll say something that is not very well defined on
purpose so the reader will have to fill in the gaps
all by themselves.  Sorry if poetry does this to the
reader at times, but the intention is to free up your
own mind.  
     So if dm intended the borders and lines to do
this to you, then let us know dm.  If not, then I am
interrupting a conversation that has a context that I
am not sure about.  I explained myself to you dmb, and
tried to explain something above with a serious,
non-poetic definition of what I thought borders and
lines meant.

Thanks, 
SA 

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