[MD] From each... to each

[Heather Perella]

Hello Ham,

 
SA said earlier:  What we judge to be right and good
for us becomes
> > moral for us.  What else does moral mean?  What is
> > true morality though?  The morality that is all
> high
> > and all right?  That is difficult, and I don't
> think
> > we could have the ethical plan that guides us to
> > perfection without practicing the same thing over
> and
> > over and over again.  By this practice we become
> > better and better at it, but events change, the
> world
> > changes, and thus circumstances change and we as
> > intellectuals, society, biological entities, and
> even
> > inorganic matter moves about and changes into
> > different forms that best suit the values that
> > confront them upon each moment.
> > [snip]
> > Whatever is practically useful for us now is
> > helpful, thus, dare I say compassionate - yes I
> do.
> > We inlay the compassion in such practical tools -
> we
> > do, and when I use a computer I thank it for
> helping
> > me talk to you.
> 
Ham said: "So, what is your point?  Are you asking for
a
> definition of morality, or do
> you just want to ramble on different ways of
> experiencing it?"

My point is, as always you will not see this because
your line of thinking closes you out from noticing
what I notice, which is the universe is moral.  But we
don't have to keep talking about this, because I know
your convinced the universe is not moral.
 
     Ham said:  "I think the moral position is fairly
well defined
> by
> > the Golden Rule -- Do unto others as you would
> have
> > them do unto you.  Kant expressed it as his
> Categorical
> > Imperative -- Act in such a way that it would be
> > universally beneficial.  Above all, respect the
> freedom
> > and dignity of your fellow creature.  I don't see
> morality
> > as intellectual so much as "sensual".  An act of
> compassion,
> > for example, has little to do with the intellect."
> 
> SA replies:
> 
> > This is just your SOM, it is only this and not
> > that, and your use of separating the universe into
> > smaller and smaller bits and pieces without
> noticing
> > the skin that covers and thus defines a larger
> whole
> > that connects sensual and intellect together. 
> Without
> > comprehending the sensual pain and joys we could
> not
> > intellectually understand that if I do this it
> will or
> > will not lead to this.  Thus, I begin to value
> certain
> > experiences and as I mentioned above it takes
> > intellect to understand that I cannot always shove
> joy
> > or pain aside as wrongs or rights, unless, I seek
> too
> > much joy or too much pain and then we find
> ourselves
> > comprehending and trying to understand the balance
> > which relies on our intention to not have too much
> joy
> > or too much pain.  How  will we do this?  Think
> about
> > it.  Experience it.  And then put your effort in
> > intellectually changing our habits using our brain
> to
> > overcome unconscious habits of 'it's only sensual'
> > type behaviors.

     Ham said:  "Again, are you asking me to respond
in a different
> way, or to give you a
> different answer?"

     No, you don't have to respond in a different way.
 You are set in the ways of your thesis.  Nothing
wrong with that.  

     Ham said:  "Life has always been a struggle for
survival, a
> balance between personal
> contentment and our obligation to others, health and
> sickness, finding
> success amidst discouragement, joy amidst
> unhappiness.  To achieve this
> balance requires a combination of value appreciation
> and intelligent
> decisions -- what we commonly call "establishing
> priorities".  When our
> priorities get out of balance, we become stressed or
> confused; we lose
> control of our lives and our objectives, and become
> ineffective as human
> beings in a diversified world.

     Yes.  Understandable.  What those priorities are?
 That is a good question.  That seems to be where the
pivot of balance is placed by you, on priorities,
right?
 
     Ham continues:  "Again I say, all value is
relative because we live
> in a relational world.
> We may sense the value of "something better", and
> strive for excellence; but
> the values we realize in existence are related to
> the things and events of
> our experience.
> 
> What more can I say?  You'll have to be more
> specific if there's a question
> you expect me to answer.

     Have no other questions, other than the
priorities that you have.  Priorities are valued in
relation to our experience and sometimes we make
choices that get us sick or not.  I know then that the
universe is tied morally by either healthy or sickly
choices, at the very least.  Other than this about
morality in the universe.  I know where you stand, you
know where I stand.  That's all.

SA

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