[MD] Distinguishing Levels

[Steve Peterson]

Hi Platt,


> Above you said motherhood is social pattern. Are you
> saying that 
> thinking is not part of motherhood?


What I've been saying is that our broad concepts do
not fall neatly into the moq levels. To the extent
that motherhood is a social role it does not include
thinking though motherhood as a broad concept has its
biological and intellectual aspects as well.

> [Steve]
> > I think to understand the social level it is more
> about understanding
> > that ethos that is acepted without reasoning and
> is perpetuated through
> > unconscious copying. When we start to give reasons
> for our rules we are
> > getting into intellect. Sometimes such reasoning
> is intellectual support
> > for social patterns but the reasoning itself is
> intellectual.


Platt:
> Agree. Reason is intellectual and individual.
> Societies don't reason. 
> All the more reason for identifying the intellectual
> level as the 
> individual level. :-)

I think you overestimate the extent to which reasoning
is individual. At any rate, Pirsig defines an
individual human being as a collection of patterns
from all levels with the ability to respond to dynamic
quality. Calling level 4 the individual level would be
to put all the static levels plus dq in one level.

Regards,
Steve


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