[MD] Intellect battles the[historical] barbarians

[Ron Kulp]

 (I'm secretly wondering when platt is going to acknowledge my
existence)
He sure seems to love Arlo. Makes me wonder if he wants a debate or just
pick apart anothers point of view.
A dog with a bone, sheesh, I think I need to be hosed down.
You can have this thread, I'm finished with it. makes me wonder how long
one can simply bawl at themselves.
-Hugs an kisses
Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org
[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Platt Holden
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 10:44 AM
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Intellect battles the[historical] barbarians

> [Arlo]
> I'm not sure if this is a reference to my recent "history lesson", but

> I'll respond in case. My point in bringing up the historical reality 
> of our involvement with Iraq (and Iran) is not to point blame, but to 
> point out that the hypocrisy of the "Moral Liberators". I wish, I 
> truly do, that there was a concerted effort to deal with these issues,

> but it all comes down to Party Obedience, and an inability ON BOTH 
> SIDES to accept blame where blame is due.

Not that's funny. On one hand Arlo says his point is "not to point
blame." Then in the next breath he says we should "accept blame where
blame is due."  Sounds like Kerry: "I voted against the war before I
voted for it," and  "I will never apologize for insulting our troops,
but please accept my apology." 

That hilarity aside, note that Arlo thinks "hypocrisy" is a great sin.  
I searched high and low in the MOQ to find even a hint that hypocrisy
was such a terrible moral offense, but failed. Perhaps someone can
enlighten me. But failure of a society to defend itself against 
biological level barbarians? Now, that's real MOQ sin!    

> You can't sell a gun to a serial murderer and then act morally 
> indignant when he kills someone. Or better, sell a gun to a serial 
> murderer and keep selling him bullets while he kills other families, 
> but then act morally indignant when he kills your wife. Yes, the 
> serial killer should go to jail, but if you don't learn from your part

> in the play, you'll just turn around and sell a gun to the next serial

> murdered... and soon he will take your child. This is the game we are 
> playing on the world stage.

Didn't Arlo say at one time that he was against of gun control? But, I
could be wrong. 

> We can't change the mess Reagan created, and Bush Sr., Clinton and 
> Bush Jr. perpetuated. But we MUST acknowledge it, we must accept our 
> role in this.

So we're to blame for trying to stabilize and bring democracy to the
Middle East? Maybe Arlo wants to feel guilty about our trying to extend
intellectual values. But, I don't, not for a minute.

Platt
       



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