[MD] a haunting

[Heather Perella]

Ron,

     [Ron]
> I believe that's what we both see is what Pirsig
> saw..that
> disassociation. Sounds like you are right on the
> front everyday, I dated
> a girl
> Who worked in the inner-city school system and a
> correctional
> facility..she had a nervous breakdown, the students
> were such a problem
> that
> She spent her time disciplining and not teaching,
> when she had a few
> expelled, they stalked her. It's difficult to not
> take it home with you.
> It becomes psycological warfare, Pirsig mentions
> "caring"  a craftsman
> "cares" about what he's doing he builds that care
> into the job
> Then he discribes "gumption traps", that's what I
> really dig about
> Pirsig some would deem his ability to speak in
> common terms as "dumbing
> It down" but,that ability to really relate on that
> level holds more
> creedance to his words for me anyway.A Gumption trap
> is a dissruption
> In that process. Caring for a child is a demanding
> task  especially the
> first few months there is little time for "self"
> plus
> It's unknown territory if this is your first.
> Reading became my "woods "
> I read Sidhartha by Herman Hess . Which has a
> message on
> Parenting.


     Where did Pirsig mention gumption traps?  I
remember this, but the details of Pirsig's discussion
would fit well now I'm sure.  I'm going to try to find
it, but if you know what chapters he discusses this I
would appreciate if you could relay this to me.  I
probably won't have the time to look it up any time
soon, but I would like to get to it since you have
brought it up as something that might provide insight
into primary experience in this disassociated culture.
 As to Siddhartha, I started to read it and almost
completed it, but put it down for some reason about a
month ago or so.  I'll have to finish it.  It was
interesting.
     I love the woods, and I have found some books to
inspire a woodsy experience, too.  And since I've been
in this haiku type mood here's another one, but this
time it's not one I've originated.  

           What voice,
     what song, spider,
          in the autumn wind?
                    -Basho (1644-1694; Japan)

Thanks,
SA

P.S.  Could not this haunting be what I think your
saying, which is the primary experience we have in
this disassociated culture?  In other words, this
haunting is "psychological warfare"?  As the writer
Calvin Martin calls this culture "an ontology of
fear".  This nightmare issue that has been brought up
at times on the MoQ.org Calvin roots in the
agricultural mentality, which can be Aztec or Greek,
but it is the Western ontology of fear that has the
huge population and power now.  It is an ontology very
different from those cultures that trust that the
earth and sky will take care of us.  Oh, and by the
way, speaking of "nervous breakdown", have you read
any of N. Scott Momaday books, particularly "The
Ancient Child"?


 
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