[MD] No more SOM and no more money!

Thu Nov 2 13:02:19 PST 2006

Ron

what motivates these bandits do you think?

David M 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Kulp" <RKulp at ebwalshinc.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] No more SOM and no more money!

> Probably be a lot like the old west, you'd have your share of warlords
> and bandits..idealy it would be nice but realisticly we better be well
> armed and organized. I think moderation and mindfulness is the message.
> 
> From: moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org
> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of David M
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:45 PM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] No more SOM and no more money!
> 
> d'ya think we can do it? No more wages,
> no managers, no check outs, no bribery, no crime (well, apart from what
> you can carry)!
> Just co-operate or sink?
> 
> David M
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Kulp" <RKulp at ebwalshinc.com>
> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 8:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Capitalism in all it's shapes
> 
> 
>>I have to say, you missed the point of that quote. But, I'd give the
>> world without money a shot.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org
>> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of David M
>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:16 PM
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Capitalism in all it's shapes
>>
>> Tonights breaking news is that money has ceased to exist, the
> government
>> are asking people to keep working on a voluntary basis for the time
>> being and not to panic....
>>
>> .....anyone whose work does not invlove anything useful can take the
>> rest of their lives off, or help out the people who do real work and
>> don't count beans all day and call it work....
>>
>> please note any attempts to go on paying bills will be pointless....
>>
>> please do not fill up your shopping trolleys with more goods than you
>> need.....
>>
>> Divad Yerom
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ron Kulp" <RKulp at ebwalshinc.com>
>> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 8:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Capitalism in all it's shapes
>>
>>
>>> "Only when the last tree is cut; only when the last river is
> polluted;
>>> only when the last fish is caught;
>>> only then will they realize that you cannot eat money."
>>> -Cree
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org
>>> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of David M
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 2:56 PM
>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Capitalism in all it's shapes
>>>
>>> addictively consuming junk,until the planet is a wasteland, really
>>> bright!
>>>
>>> David M
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Micah" <micah at roarkplumbing.com>
>>> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 6:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Capitalism in all it's shapes
>>>
>>>
>>>> Stella completely misunderstands capitalism. Capitalism is the
>> logical
>>>> extension of individual freedom in the marketplace. Consumerism is
>> not
>>>> capitalism. Capitalism is not theology. It is the freedom to
> exchange
>>>> goods
>>>> and services without coercion.
>>>>
>>>> Micah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org
>>>> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of Stella Lindblom
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:46 AM
>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Capitalism in all it's shapes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think I got it. We didn't get very far in the discussion, but I
>>> learned
>>>> some important things. Not the one's I had looked for, but others.
>>> It's
>>>> see no use to discuss this further.
>>>>
>>>> Capitalist thinking is one of the components in the founding of the
>>> USA, a
>>>> part of it's essence. It's intertwined in it's culture and history
> in
>>> such
>>>> a way that it is impossible to separate the two.
>>>>
>>>> All cultures have a Story about themselves and about what is
>> important
>>> and
>>>> valuable. The US Story is "the self-made man", "the American dream",
>>>> "freedom to money" and things of that kind. It's all about the right
>>> to
>>>> get rich, the value of becoming Somebody (and Somebodies are  or
>>> always
>>>> become extremely wealthy) and spreading the right way of living over
>>> the
>>>> world because happiness may only be found in comsumerism.
>>>>
>>>> But I'm not american - I don't belive in this, and I don't believe
>>> it's
>>>> worth the while to discuss it further. Why? In trying to examine the
>>>> foundations of capitalism and the distorted way we are dealing with
>>>> valuables today, I have to de-construct "the american way of life",
>>>> something that in turn is a part of the identity of being american.
>>> The
>>>> values of society is part of our national identities, regardless of
>>>> nationality, and anything I say against capitalism will be construed
>>> as a
>>>> slur on America herself, and in extension, a slur on the identity of
>>>> anybody believing in capitalism. So I stop here. I now understand
>> that
>>>> this is a question of theology.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No need to tell me things on-list as I will un-subscribe as soon as
>>> this
>>>> message is posted.
>>>> If anybody feels inclined to contact me for whatever reason, it may
>> be
>>>> done off-list.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Stella
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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