[MD] No more SOM and no more money!

Thu Nov 2 13:30:13 PST 2006

Hi Ron

well outside of capitalism (that breeds and promotes and overpays these 
types)
I think we have the advantage of out numbering the lazy, selfish and 
aggressive. We should be
kind to these inadequates, still feed them, I guess, let them sulk about not 
being invited
to our parties.

I am sure I was promised when I was young that there would be much less
work in the future. The future has arrived but we avoid it with unnecessary
consumption (now seemingly fatal over consumption) and travel and the
purchase of status symbols to prop up surreal inequality (how many unused 
bedrooms
or shoes do you need) and prop up our shallowness.

Whilst at the same time maintaining an unnecessary level of excluded poor to
show us what we can expect if we try to fight with the giant.

But you can buck the system if you can generate an income and avoid becoming
some kind of consumption and economic growth addict. But its a tough call.

David M

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Kulp" <RKulp at ebwalshinc.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] No more SOM and no more money!

> why work when you can steal?  Why co-operate when you can bully?
> That kind of thinking, selfish, criminal.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org
> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of David M
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:02 PM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] No more SOM and no more money!
>
> Ron
>
> what motivates these bandits do you think?
>
> David M
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Kulp" <RKulp at ebwalshinc.com>
> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] No more SOM and no more money!
>
>
>> Probably be a lot like the old west, you'd have your share of warlords
>> and bandits..idealy it would be nice but realisticly we better be well
>> armed and organized. I think moderation and mindfulness is the
> message.
>>
>> From: moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org
>> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of David M
>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:45 PM
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Subject: Re: [MD] No more SOM and no more money!
>>
>> d'ya think we can do it? No more wages,
>> no managers, no check outs, no bribery, no crime (well, apart from
> what
>> you can carry)!
>> Just co-operate or sink?
>>
>> David M
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ron Kulp" <RKulp at ebwalshinc.com>
>> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 8:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Capitalism in all it's shapes
>>
>>
>>>I have to say, you missed the point of that quote. But, I'd give the
>>> world without money a shot.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org
>>> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of David M
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:16 PM
>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Capitalism in all it's shapes
>>>
>>> Tonights breaking news is that money has ceased to exist, the
>> government
>>> are asking people to keep working on a voluntary basis for the time
>>> being and not to panic....
>>>
>>> .....anyone whose work does not invlove anything useful can take the
>>> rest of their lives off, or help out the people who do real work and
>>> don't count beans all day and call it work....
>>>
>>> please note any attempts to go on paying bills will be pointless....
>>>
>>> please do not fill up your shopping trolleys with more goods than you
>>> need.....
>>>
>>> Divad Yerom
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ron Kulp" <RKulp at ebwalshinc.com>
>>> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 8:01 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Capitalism in all it's shapes
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Only when the last tree is cut; only when the last river is
>> polluted;
>>>> only when the last fish is caught;
>>>> only then will they realize that you cannot eat money."
>>>> -Cree
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org
>>>> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of David M
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 2:56 PM
>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Capitalism in all it's shapes
>>>>
>>>> addictively consuming junk,until the planet is a wasteland, really
>>>> bright!
>>>>
>>>> David M
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Micah" <micah at roarkplumbing.com>
>>>> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 6:16 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Capitalism in all it's shapes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Stella completely misunderstands capitalism. Capitalism is the
>>> logical
>>>>> extension of individual freedom in the marketplace. Consumerism is
>>> not
>>>>> capitalism. Capitalism is not theology. It is the freedom to
>> exchange
>>>>> goods
>>>>> and services without coercion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Micah
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org
>>>>> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of Stella
> Lindblom
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:46 AM
>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Capitalism in all it's shapes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I got it. We didn't get very far in the discussion, but I
>>>> learned
>>>>> some important things. Not the one's I had looked for, but others.
>>>> It's
>>>>> see no use to discuss this further.
>>>>>
>>>>> Capitalist thinking is one of the components in the founding of the
>>>> USA, a
>>>>> part of it's essence. It's intertwined in it's culture and history
>> in
>>>> such
>>>>> a way that it is impossible to separate the two.
>>>>>
>>>>> All cultures have a Story about themselves and about what is
>>> important
>>>> and
>>>>> valuable. The US Story is "the self-made man", "the American
> dream",
>>>>> "freedom to money" and things of that kind. It's all about the
> right
>>>> to
>>>>> get rich, the value of becoming Somebody (and Somebodies are  or
>>>> always
>>>>> become extremely wealthy) and spreading the right way of living
> over
>>>> the
>>>>> world because happiness may only be found in comsumerism.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I'm not american - I don't belive in this, and I don't believe
>>>> it's
>>>>> worth the while to discuss it further. Why? In trying to examine
> the
>>>>> foundations of capitalism and the distorted way we are dealing with
>>>>> valuables today, I have to de-construct "the american way of life",
>>>>> something that in turn is a part of the identity of being american.
>>>> The
>>>>> values of society is part of our national identities, regardless of
>>>>> nationality, and anything I say against capitalism will be
> construed
>>>> as a
>>>>> slur on America herself, and in extension, a slur on the identity
> of
>>>>> anybody believing in capitalism. So I stop here. I now understand
>>> that
>>>>> this is a question of theology.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No need to tell me things on-list as I will un-subscribe as soon as
>>>> this
>>>>> message is posted.
>>>>> If anybody feels inclined to contact me for whatever reason, it may
>>> be
>>>>> done off-list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Stella
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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