[MD] Capitalism in all it's shapes

[Micah]

Arlo,

You are wrong. The belief in the concept of "infinity" causes consumerism.
Capitalism is the method, the belief in "infinity" is the motive. The law of
diminishing returns is forgotten by corporations in search of double digit
growth annually. Life is work and work is love made visible and capitalism
is the only method of exchanging work that preserves freedom. Those that
work eat, those that don't work, eat those that do.

Micah


-----Original Message-----
From: moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org
[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of ARLO J BENSINGER JR
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:24 PM
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Capitalism in all it's shapes


Micah,

Consumerism is the carrot that keeps "capitalism" working. It needs a
willing
population to partake of labor that mostly makes other people wealthy, while
being placated by shiny toys. To this end, people are bombarded with fear,
while the forces that SHOULD be moving them towards "being part of the
world"
keep moving them away.

Arlo

On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 17:43:58 -0600  moq_discuss at moqtalk.org wrote:

>
> David,
>
> Again, that is consumerism - not capitalism.
>
> Micah
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org
> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of David M
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 1:56 PM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] Capitalism in all it's shapes
>
>
> addictively consuming junk,until the planet is a wasteland, really bright!
>
> David M
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Micah" <micah at roarkplumbing.com>
> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 6:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Capitalism in all it's shapes
>
>
> > Stella completely misunderstands capitalism. Capitalism is the logical
> > extension of individual freedom in the marketplace. Consumerism is not
> > capitalism. Capitalism is not theology. It is the freedom to exchange
> > goods
> > and services without coercion.
> >
> > Micah
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org
> > [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of Stella Lindblom
> > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:46 AM
> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > Subject: Re: [MD] Capitalism in all it's shapes
> >
> >
> > I think I got it. We didn't get very far in the discussion, but I
learned
> > some important things. Not the one's I had looked for, but others. It's
> > see no use to discuss this further.
> >
> > Capitalist thinking is one of the components in the founding of the USA,
a
> > part of it's essence. It's intertwined in it's culture and history in
such
> > a way that it is impossible to separate the two.
> >
> > All cultures have a Story about themselves and about what is important
and
> > valuable. The US Story is "the self-made man", "the American dream",
> > "freedom to money" and things of that kind. It's all about the right to
> > get rich, the value of becoming Somebody (and Somebodies are  or always
> > become extremely wealthy) and spreading the right way of living over the
> > world because happiness may only be found in comsumerism.
> >
> > But I'm not american - I don't belive in this, and I don't believe it's
> > worth the while to discuss it further. Why? In trying to examine the
> > foundations of capitalism and the distorted way we are dealing with
> > valuables today, I have to de-construct "the american way of life",
> > something that in turn is a part of the identity of being american. The
> > values of society is part of our national identities, regardless of
> > nationality, and anything I say against capitalism will be construed as
a
> > slur on America herself, and in extension, a slur on the identity of
> > anybody believing in capitalism. So I stop here. I now understand that
> > this is a question of theology.
> >
> >
> > No need to tell me things on-list as I will un-subscribe as soon as this
> > message is posted.
> > If anybody feels inclined to contact me for whatever reason, it may be
> > done off-list.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Stella
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > moq_discuss mailing list
> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
> > Archives:
> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
> > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
> >
> > moq_discuss mailing list
> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
> > Archives:
> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
> > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
> >
>
>
> moq_discuss mailing list
> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
> Archives:
> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
>
> moq_discuss mailing list
> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
> Archives:
> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
>
>
>



moq_discuss mailing list
Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
Archives:
http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/