[MD] BLINK!(the haunting of the barbarians)

[ian glendinning]

Hi Ron,

A great conclusion, but not without it's difficulties, as you found.

Your question
"IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE YOU INTELLECTUAL VALUES, IS IT
MORAL TO DO SO?"

Yes, if you are enforcing them over social values, BUT ...

How can you be sure your values were entirely intellectual, and that
what you were seeing is just social value and not at least partly
intellectual value too. (Life's just complicated enough, as I often
say.)

No, you cannot enforce intellectual values over other intellectual
values, you need to find an intellectual process towards the right
outcome, and in such cases one winning over the other is not
necessarily a desirable outcome.

In the stepping in to sort out the wife-beating situation, you made
that assessment and risked your judgment. That's what freedom is
about. (There was another downside to that risk ... besides the one
you found ... it may have been a situation where there was some issue
you had missed ... and you may have been in the wrong ... but as a
moral person, you would have said "oops sorry" and tried to rectify
your mistake. Making mistakes is essential.

I doubt you can have made that intellectual over social / biological
judgment in a "blink" without even a few seconds of
intellectualisation though, or prior intellectualisation, which you
brought to the surface in the blink. Interesting nevertheless.

(I have a theme running at the moment on the apparent need for some
kind of intellectual elitism, though I can't point you at anything
very significant yet.)

Regards
Ian

On 11/3/06, Ron Kulp <RKulp at ebwalshinc.com> wrote:
> In conclusion to all these threads it occurs to me there is a common
> theme running through all of them
> IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE YOU INTELLECTUAL VALUES, IS IT MORAL
> TO DO SO?
> I have quite abit of experience addressing this issue, I used to (just
> because I was big and well trained)
> Get involved with domestic disputes, a guy was hitting his wife, I'd
> jump in and "extend my moral values"
> On him..this led to a huge mess, the women attacked me for attacking her
> husband, neighbors saw this and I was now the bad guy
> ,see where this is going? I was persicuted for what I thought was
> helping out,  using that "blink" expierience
> I saw a bad picture and I straightened it. ..the wu-dan shan would say,
> "un-wise" I employed the "blink"
> Which they call "jin" incorrectly. Positive and negative jin are very
> similar to SQ and DQ there is also a third jin
> A nuetral jin which is a state of "formless form" manifesting formless
> form physically was the wu dan shan martial art.
> When employed with wisdom is impenitrable.
> This was my conclusion on this week at the MOQ (MD).
> Thank you
> -Ron
>
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> Quoting Ron Kulp <RKulp at ebwalshinc.com>:
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> > I see your paralell, but is that what Iran is doing? Or is that what
> > the U.S. is doing.
>
> That's what IslamoFascists are doing.
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> > Quoting Ron Kulp <RKulp at ebwalshinc.com>:
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> > >  why work when you can steal?  Why co-operate when you can bully?
> > > That kind of thinking, selfish, criminal.
> >
> > In other words, biological, barbaric.
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