[MD] Case's Answer to Marsha

[david buchanan]

Case said to dmb:
Odd that you would mention Freud since as David pointed out I thought the 
allusion to Jung was clear. Jung may even had mentioned synchronicity in his 
Answer to Job but...

dmb replies:
You were alluding to Jung's answer to Job? I didn't even know he had one. 
What did he say?

Case also said:
For future reference there is a subtext to every post I make here and that 
is that uncertainty is THE fundamental issue. Everything we do and 
everything we are evolved to do is a function of our relationship to the 
unknown.

dmb says:
You're operating with a subtext based on our relationship to the unknown in 
everything we do? That's news to me. I guess I missed a few crucial posts 
leading up to your answer to Marsha, or something. But since you raised the 
point, I have to ask what you mean. Everything we do is in relation to the 
unknown? Uncertainty is the fundamental issue? Can I assume that you were 
using Taoism, syncronicity and the story of Job to discuss this fundamental 
issue? Draw some kind of line through all this for me, will you? I'm not 
following your logic and do not see your point. I agree that Taoism fits 
well with the MOQ. Pirsig says explicitly that he could read through the 
text and put DQ in the place of the Tao in every time. But I fail to see how 
you're connecting all this to the subtext of uncertainty and the unknown.

Case also said to dmb:
I hope I have made it clear by now that I am not a theist but neither do I 
fear the Bible. I have a decided preference for the KJV precisely for the 
reason most people don't like it. The old style of the wording make it clear 
that you are not reading a modern book. The fact that it sounds alien 
reminds you that it is alien. The same principle applies to the Tao.

dmb says:
Do you imagine that I fear the bible? Are you refering to the conversation 
in which I compared the synoptic gospels with the gnostic gospel of Thomas? 
As I recall, my complaints centered around the idea that Thomas had more of 
an edge and that the others were watered down. I mean, my problem is not 
that I'm afraid of the gospels. Its more like I'm bored with them. Anyway, 
your comment strikes me as a defensive non-sequitor simply because I didn't 
ask about your theism or how you feel about the bible. Those questions 
didn't even cross my mind. I thought we already agreed that honest scholars 
have to assume that all books were written by people. I assumed you were 
treating the story of Job as a hypothetical situation just like I was.

Case said:
...Your shear irritation over the matter and your clear lack of 
understanding of it makes whatever you have to say about it irrelevant.

dmb says:
My irritation and ignorance make me irrelevant? I'm almost afraid to ask, 
but in the absence of any specific objections this is just name-calling. 
What is it, exactly, that I lack in the way of understanding? Is there 
really a connection between the validity of my assertions and the amount of 
irritiation I feel? Are you dismissing Freud and Voltaire on the same basis, 
that they weren't in the right mood?

And isn't it the theists who get all bent out of shape around here anyway? I 
think so. At this point, I've come to expect a little flurry of insults as a 
response to my posts on the topic. Yours is just one of several in the most 
recent flurry. Its okay. I'm used to it by now. I would just like to make 
one simple point. Personal insults are not a valid form of criticism. It 
seems to me that you are smart enough to smell this kind of bullshit, even 
when its your own. Take a whiff, man.

Thanks.
dmb

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