[MD] Julian Baggini interview

[Squonkonguitar at aol.com]

Hi Mark

Squonkonguitar at aol.com wrote:
> Hi Mark, Ian and  All
> 
> First off Mark, as you're aware that Glenn was   removed from MD some time 
> back I would have appreciated a request to  post  the material that you 
> posted. It's called common  courtesy.
>  
> Mark 5-11-06: Hello Horse.
> I apologise  for my mistake.
> If Glenn provides any future information for me, i won't  simply include it 
 
> in any e-mail's from me without seeking your  permission first.
> If you refuse, i shall honour your  decision.

Thanks Mark, it's appreciated. To be honest with you I can't  see what 
Glenn is likely to bring to the discussion that will be of any  value 
given that his only purpose is to do whatever damage he can by  whatever 
means. Perhaps you should keep that in mind when he next gets in  touch 
with you - which will probably be fairly soon. Like as soon as this  
drops through into his inbox.
 
Mark 6-11-06: Hello Horse.
I'm not going to prejudge Glenn's contributions especially if they are  
statements of fact.
Anthony cannot deny facts.
He can try to conceal them, but he can't deny them.

> 
>  Horse:
> Secondly, I've been following this thread and am somewhat   mystified as 
> to the nature of the accusations that seem to have been  flying about.
>  
> Mark 5-11-06: I'm asking questions not  making accusations Horse.
> That Baggini felt Anthony was going to include  his interview on  
> robertpirsig.org is not an accusation, it's a  statement of fact.
> Asking why the interview isn't on robertpirsig.org  isn't an accusation,  
it's 
> a question.

Fair enough - but  the way this whole thing has been handled, what's 
coming through looks like  accusations and acrimony.
 
Mark 6-11-06: I'm asking questions not making accusations.
Anthony should appreciate the value of honesty in academia.
 
Horse:
If Ant doesn't want to put the interview in as is, or provide a link that's  
up to him.
 
Mark 6-11-06: And if i want to ask him why? that's up to me.
Are you telling me i'm not allowed to ask Anthony McWatt questions?
 
Horse:
I'm sure we could have come to some alternative and satisfactory  arrangement
by talking it out among ourselves.
 
Mark 6-11-06: Excuse me, but i was talking to Anthony about his  site, not 
you or dmb.

> Horse:
> The Baggini interview was  put up on moq.org when it came out and  when 
> the link was removed  I was unaware that the article existed elsewhere.
>  
> Mark  5-11-06: Well, now you know don't you?

Horse:
I do now, yeah - couldn't you have emailed me about it  beforehand?
 
Mark 6-11-06: I can't tell you about something before i actually know  of it.

> 
>>From my correspondence and contact with Ant  there has never been a  
> problem with the article being linked and  when I became aware of the  
> address to the interview it was  reinstated with Ant's full knowledge and  
> approval.
>   
> Mark 5-11-06: At 20:27 05-11-06 i checked MOQ.org and the link to  the  
> Baggini interview does not work.

Try the refresh  button on your browser. The link was sorted out a couple 
of days  ago.

>  
> Horse:
> If Ant chooses not to link or  display it on his site then what's  the 
> problem?
>   
> Mark 5-11-06: What's your problem with me asking Horse?
> I'm not  going to go the same way as Glenn for asking questions am i?
> Or do we  live in a Police state all of a sudden?

Don't be daft - you know  perfectly well that you'd have to seriously 
piss me off for that to happen,  which is highly unlikely. Glenn got what 
he deserved and he's behaved like a  big girls blouse ever since. No 
moral fibre whatsoever.
 
Mark 6-11-06: Anthony and Glenn: two for a pair i'm afraid to say  Horse.
One knows how to write rubbish, the other knows how it  should be appreciated.
Those who choose to conceal rather than face their mistakes have moral  fibre.
Of course they do.

>  
> Horse:
> It's there for  all to see linked from moq.org.
>  
>  
> Mark  5-11-06: At 20:27 05-11-06 i checked MOQ.org and the link to the  
>  Baggini interview does not work.

See above.

> 
>   
> Horse:
> Would you and/or Ian care to explain the nature of the  grievance  you 
> seem to be bearing at the moment. Explicitly. Then  maybe both Ant and  
> myself can answer any questions that need  answering.
> 
> Horse
>  
> Mark 5-11-06: I don't  speak for Ian or anyone else; i speak only for me.
> I've already  explicitly aired my concern regarding editorial control.

Horse:
Both Ant and myself have and will retain editorial control over  our own 
sites.
 
Mark 6-11-06: Excuse me Horse, i'm having a dreadful problem here: Who is  
suggesting otherwise?
What are you talking about?
Will you please try and appreciate the difference between:
1. Editing.
2. Being asked questions about your editing?
Are you telling us no one is allowed to ask you questions regarding your  
editing if they should wish to?
As it happens, i have not asked you any questions.
 
Horse:
We both have the best interests of the MoQ at heart although we 
may go  about it in different ways.
 
Mark 6-11-06: I'm not asking you questions about your editing. I'm asking  
Anthony McWatt questions about his. Let him answer his own questions.
 
Horse:
Given our interests and efforts over many years I would have thought  you'd 
trust us by now.

Cheers Mark

Horse
 
Mark 6-11-06: You would be surprised how many dents that trust has taken in  
recent years. It's not taking an easy time of it at the moment.
Love,
Mark