[MD] BLINK!(the haunting of the barbarians)

[Ron Kulp]

      [Ron]
     A nuetral jin which is a state of "formless form"
manifesting formless form physically was the wu dan shan martial art.
When employed with wisdom is impenitrable.

     How is this employed?  


Thanks,
SA
[Ron]
Nuetral jin is like wu-wei, the wisdom is observing and knowing when and
how much positive or negative jin( DQ and SQ) to use .
They are tools  channeled through us. Wisdom comes of observance and
experience. Non-action is itself is an action.
In reference to a physical conflict Ie: Diversion of an attacking force
takes less energy than stopping it. Read "sun tsu
The art of war". It is the tao of warfare. It is also useful in any sort
of conflict mental or physical. It requires total balance
Of mind body and soul..that is why it is difficult and narrow. And
easily forgotten...even when you "know" it.
-ron

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Subject: Re: [MD] BLINK!(the haunting of the barbarians)

Ron (and Khaled mentioned),

     [Ron]
     In conclusion to all these threads it occurs to me there is a
common theme running through all of them IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO
ENFORCE YOU INTELLECTUAL VALUES, IS IT MORAL TO DO SO?  I have quite
abit of experience addressing this issue... this led to a huge mess, the
women attacked me for attacking her husband...

     Yes, this is the questioning or wondering issue on many of the
threads.  Good insight, I really didn't sum it up this way, but I think
your correct.  Now when you're faced with the women attacking you, it
became more personal I would believe.  I'm sure the husband hitting the
wife hurts, but when the wife hits you for helping, that can hurt even
more.  It would make me wonder of the senselessness this couple endures.
How could she not understand what you were doing?  Yet, sometimes
struggles become so in-group that outsiders appear to these in-groups.
As Khaled has said before and many have said on this earth, two enemies
when confronted with a greater enemy can become friends until that
greater enemy is disposed of and then the two go back fighting again.  A
recent example was Russia, the U.S. and Great Britain during
WW2 fighting Germany, and what of Iraq and the U.S.
fighting Iran, which the U.S. helped Iran, too.  Or what of the British
and French fighting over the Iroquois for their help, for the British to
only back stab the Iroquois after the French and Indian War, but then
when the Revolutionary War came along the British wanted the Iroquois
help again against the colonists. 
Even as the colonists went west it was a constant bidding to have
Amerindians helping in locating 'renegade' indians, but once the
Euro-settlers didn't need the Amerindian scouts they gave the scouts no
rights that the Constitution says are for all people. 
Then again, the issue comes up, who falls under the umbrella of the
Constitution during times of war, but many of times the war was over
with the Amerindian, but to this day mix ups occur - the whole sovernity
issue is still questioned.  China brings this up every time the U.S.
says China doesn't respect human rights with Tibet, etc...  The U.S. has
their own human rights issue that's been here on the back burner for oh
say 500 years.

     [Ron]
     A nuetral jin which is a state of "formless form"
manifesting formless form physically was the wu dan shan martial art.
When employed with wisdom is impenitrable.

     How is this employed?  


Thanks,
SA


 
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