[MD] vegetarianism

[gav]

hey jos,
we are generally, *biologically speaking*, vegetarian
animals. our long convoluted guts are the guts of
vegetarians. carnivores have very short intestines.

we are able to digest animal proteins to an extent but
not as efficiently as true carnivores. our stomachs
just don't have the same acidic potency, as cats for
instance.

since our digestion is not suited to high quantities
of meat, much is not digested properly, leaving
residue in the gut which leads to poor nutrient
assimilation through the intestinal villi. this also
leads to the familiar abdominal paunch. on average an
adult westerner has several kilos of undigested meat
residue lining their guts.

so, getting back to your post, as far as nutrition is
concerned, the poor state of meat-addled guts is a
bigger prob than getting requisite vits and minerals
from a purely vego diet.

i lived in spain on a pure vego diet (live in vego
chef!) at an eco-centre for about 6 months. i didn't
crave any meat at all. my digestion was close to
perfect. as was my general health.

conversely when i was in the states i often found it
difficult to get good vego food and found myself
craving meat.

as far as Pirsig is concerned he explicitly states
that vegetarianism is more moral than a meaty diet.
so....i just thought it intellectually honest to look
at ourselves and say: 
1. do i agree with bob here?
2. if i do then is this reflected in my actions?
3. if this is not refelcted in my actions then why?
4. if i don't agree, why not?

having a diet high in animal protein is directly
related to cancer, as the protease enzymes required to
digest the outer membrane of cancer cell growths in
the body are all used up in meat digestion. as long as
we eat *little or no meat* (little =<15%  of diet) and
get adequate  vitamin B17 (aka laetrile) - from the
seeds of fruit primarily - then cancer is not a
problem. 

cancer was diagnosed as a 'chronic deficiency of
vitamin B17' back in the 50s!!! the cancer industry
has buried this info but the scientific papers are
still there to be found. my ex-phd supervisor in
biochemistry verified all this info for me last year..

remember there are cancer free societies in the world,
eg the hunzas in nth pakistan, and they eat meat (but
not much), smoke, drink, and eat plenty of apricot
kernels (highest source of B17).

anyway enough of the cancer tangent. primarily i am
interested in seeing if and how people LIVE THEIR
PHILOSOPHY. cos if you ain't livin it, i ain't
interested in talking.

cheers
gav



--- Jos Laycock <jos5 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Gav
> 
> S'not correct, depends on how much you think before
> you eat.
> 
> I see it that vegitarianism is a suppression of
> biological urges by a 
> cultural morality, but any rational decision that is
> reached concerning a 
> biological function that leads to me curtailing or
> modifying that biological 
> behaviour is more moral than just unthinkingly
> biting stuff. If I decide 
> cosciously that for whatever reason I wan't to eat
> halal meat for example 
> this can be seen as just as moral as consciously
> deciding not to eat meat at 
> all. Likewise I may come up with a rational
> justification to butcher 
> hundreds of animals and eat only their eyelids,
> clearly ridiculous but also 
> clearly a suppression of the biological by a higher
> "morality".
> 
> There's nothing wrong with vegitarianism provided
> that the higher morality 
> doesn't threten to pull the rug out from under its
> own feet. 1st question 
> then is: Can a diet that excludes meat genuinely
> sustain nutrient intake in 
> a way that is comparable to one that doesn't? and
> secondly: What if one 
> becomes so crazed with meat withdrawal that all
> useful intellectual thought 
> becomes impossible? Have you seen a vegitarian in
> the prezence of frying 
> bacon?
> 
> Jos
> 
> 
> >From: gav <gav_gc at yahoo.com.au>
> >Reply-To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> >To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> >Subject: [MD] vegetarianism
> >Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 08:02:37 +1100 (EST)
> >
> >hello.
> >
> >interested to know who on the list is vegetarian.
> >
> >the MOQ seems to say that vegetarianism is more
> moral
> >than eating meat. bob himself says this in Lila of
> >course.
> >
> >is this correct? is vegetarianism more moral?
> >
> >is it incorrect? is bob wrong?
> >
> >if you are not vegetarian, why? is this an ethical
> >dilemma for you or do you not give a shit?
> >
> >just want see who walks the talk around here.
> >
> >
> >
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