[MD] vegetarianism

[Dan Glover]

Hello Jos, gav, all

I'm not a strict vegetarian but all in all I eat very little meat. Living 
alone I can cook up a vegetable casserol and it lasts me a week. I like 
sardines (my one big splurge is the fancy little ones in a can) but not tuna 
or other large fish. Well, I like tuna but I don't eat it on account of the 
mercury contained therein. Any processed foods are a no no for me. Way too 
much sodium. Gotta watch out for those transfats too.

Mostly, I stick to small wild-caught fish, mixed nuts, fruits, vegetables, 
and chocolate (unsweetened dark), not necessarliy in that order. The way I 
understand it, these foods interact synergistically to provide nutritional 
support and immunological benefits not found in any one food. I am also a 
big believer in supplements.

If I am invited to dinner I eat whatever the host provides without 
complaint. No second helpings though. And I never ever eat "fast food". If I 
have to go to McDonalds or someplace like that (in the course of working 
with clients often times they want to eat lunch) I make an excuse that I'm 
not hungry and order unsweetened ice tea if they insist on buying me 
something.

I find that I do not crave red meat at all. Steaks on a grill smell very 
good but unless I am super duper hungry the smell does nothing to arouse my 
appetite. I drink lots of green tea but no alcohol. I do enjoy fresh brewed 
coffee in the morning and I stop by a farm close to where I live to buy eggs 
that come from free-range hens. They cost 3 times what the eggs do at 
walmart and when you taste them you know why.

So. Nothing white. No dairy (farm fresh eggs don't count, sorry). No red 
meat. Thats pretty much it for me.

Nice thread.

Dan



>From: gav <gav_gc at yahoo.com.au>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>Subject: Re: [MD] vegetarianism
>Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:56:24 +1100 (EST)
>
>hey jos,
>we are generally, *biologically speaking*, vegetarian
>animals. our long convoluted guts are the guts of
>vegetarians. carnivores have very short intestines.
>
>we are able to digest animal proteins to an extent but
>not as efficiently as true carnivores. our stomachs
>just don't have the same acidic potency, as cats for
>instance.
>
>since our digestion is not suited to high quantities
>of meat, much is not digested properly, leaving
>residue in the gut which leads to poor nutrient
>assimilation through the intestinal villi. this also
>leads to the familiar abdominal paunch. on average an
>adult westerner has several kilos of undigested meat
>residue lining their guts.
>
>so, getting back to your post, as far as nutrition is
>concerned, the poor state of meat-addled guts is a
>bigger prob than getting requisite vits and minerals
>from a purely vego diet.
>
>i lived in spain on a pure vego diet (live in vego
>chef!) at an eco-centre for about 6 months. i didn't
>crave any meat at all. my digestion was close to
>perfect. as was my general health.
>
>conversely when i was in the states i often found it
>difficult to get good vego food and found myself
>craving meat.
>
>as far as Pirsig is concerned he explicitly states
>that vegetarianism is more moral than a meaty diet.
>so....i just thought it intellectually honest to look
>at ourselves and say:
>1. do i agree with bob here?
>2. if i do then is this reflected in my actions?
>3. if this is not refelcted in my actions then why?
>4. if i don't agree, why not?
>
>having a diet high in animal protein is directly
>related to cancer, as the protease enzymes required to
>digest the outer membrane of cancer cell growths in
>the body are all used up in meat digestion. as long as
>we eat *little or no meat* (little =<15%  of diet) and
>get adequate  vitamin B17 (aka laetrile) - from the
>seeds of fruit primarily - then cancer is not a
>problem.
>
>cancer was diagnosed as a 'chronic deficiency of
>vitamin B17' back in the 50s!!! the cancer industry
>has buried this info but the scientific papers are
>still there to be found. my ex-phd supervisor in
>biochemistry verified all this info for me last year..
>
>remember there are cancer free societies in the world,
>eg the hunzas in nth pakistan, and they eat meat (but
>not much), smoke, drink, and eat plenty of apricot
>kernels (highest source of B17).
>
>anyway enough of the cancer tangent. primarily i am
>interested in seeing if and how people LIVE THEIR
>PHILOSOPHY. cos if you ain't livin it, i ain't
>interested in talking.
>
>cheers
>gav
>
>
>
>--- Jos Laycock <jos5 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Gav
> >
> > S'not correct, depends on how much you think before
> > you eat.
> >
> > I see it that vegitarianism is a suppression of
> > biological urges by a
> > cultural morality, but any rational decision that is
> > reached concerning a
> > biological function that leads to me curtailing or
> > modifying that biological
> > behaviour is more moral than just unthinkingly
> > biting stuff. If I decide
> > cosciously that for whatever reason I wan't to eat
> > halal meat for example
> > this can be seen as just as moral as consciously
> > deciding not to eat meat at
> > all. Likewise I may come up with a rational
> > justification to butcher
> > hundreds of animals and eat only their eyelids,
> > clearly ridiculous but also
> > clearly a suppression of the biological by a higher
> > "morality".
> >
> > There's nothing wrong with vegitarianism provided
> > that the higher morality
> > doesn't threten to pull the rug out from under its
> > own feet. 1st question
> > then is: Can a diet that excludes meat genuinely
> > sustain nutrient intake in
> > a way that is comparable to one that doesn't? and
> > secondly: What if one
> > becomes so crazed with meat withdrawal that all
> > useful intellectual thought
> > becomes impossible? Have you seen a vegitarian in
> > the prezence of frying
> > bacon?
> >
> > Jos
> >
> >
> > >From: gav <gav_gc at yahoo.com.au>
> > >Reply-To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > >To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > >Subject: [MD] vegetarianism
> > >Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 08:02:37 +1100 (EST)
> > >
> > >hello.
> > >
> > >interested to know who on the list is vegetarian.
> > >
> > >the MOQ seems to say that vegetarianism is more
> > moral
> > >than eating meat. bob himself says this in Lila of
> > >course.
> > >
> > >is this correct? is vegetarianism more moral?
> > >
> > >is it incorrect? is bob wrong?
> > >
> > >if you are not vegetarian, why? is this an ethical
> > >dilemma for you or do you not give a shit?
> > >
> > >just want see who walks the talk around here.
> > >
> > >
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