[MD] No more SOM and no more money!

[Micah]

Steve H.,

1. The answer is no.

2. There are many reasons for the suffering in poverty, but Capitalism is
not one of the since there are no Capitalist countries in the world.

Micah


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of Stephen Hannon
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 10:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [MD] No more SOM and no more money!


David M, Micah, Craig, others in this post:

I think we can all agree that some people in the world are extremely
rich, while others suffer in extreme poverty.  I think the original
point to this thread was:

Does capitalism require that some people suffer in such extreme poverty?

If it doesn't than why do some people suffer in extreme poverty?

Regards,
Steve H

On 11/6/06, Micah <micah at roarkplumbing.com> wrote:
> David,
>
> You can earn your keep anyway you like, even live off the land.
>
> Yes, Capitalism is a real concept. People organize, systems don't.
>
> I probably mis-understood your plan, I think it was to democratically
choose
> the best idea, and have everyone work towards that idea, right? What about
> those that were in the minority, that chose a different idea, will they be
> forced to work in service of the elected idea?
>
> Yes, I live off my capital, like we all do - your labor is one form of
> capital. I'm not confused.
>
> I care about living in a free, and therefore capitalist country,  and the
> USA is neither.
>
> I urge you to try and live by your principles, regardless of their
> popularity.
>
> Micah
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of David M
> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 11:49 AM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] No more SOM and no more money!
>
>
> Micah
>
> >
> > You are not forced to work for anyone.
>
> DM: I am pretty sure you can't survive without working,
> yes you can choose to starve.
>
> Why are you blaming a concept for
> > human problems?
>
> DM: It's a real system of social organisation not just a concept you know.
>
> >
> > And yes, you are advocating a form of slavery if you force others to
work
> > on
> > the "best Ideas".
>
> DM: What??!! I am suggesting we move to democratic decision making rather
> then vested interests making these decision, what on earth are you talking
> about?
>
> >
> > I'm a capitalist, and I'm not a raging success, but that is my fault -
not
> > Capitalism's.
>
> You're a capitalist?! So you don't work you live off of your capital then?
> I think you're a bit confused, are you working too hard?
>
> >
> > If you want to change the system, quit playing along. Don't vote. Voting
> > is
> > your moral sanction of a corrupt system.
> >
>
> DM: I know exactly how to change the system, but can't do it on my own.
> Sometimes there's only any point jumping if you are not alone. But you're
> the capitalist Sir so what do you care?
>
>
>
>
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