[MD] Fw: No more SOM and no more money!

[David M]

Hi Laird

Funny how our media seem to so highly value low
inflation when it's such a good thing
for people with big debts. And how we
ensure people have big house buying debts
by limiting/controlling the market in house building
and creating artificial shortages so that home owners
feel wealthy and keep spending to help prop up
growth because no growth no profits due to
increased price competition, so you gotta keep
the thing driving forward, but what happens
if you take your foot off the accelerator?
Like when you spot the cliff edge or just get
sick of the pointless speed?

I really think the choice is one of growth
versus leisure. And the drive for profits
means we are being persuaded that we
cannot choose the latter. If we did would
the system collapse? What do you think?

David M



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laird Bedore" <lmbedore at vectorstar.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Fw: No more SOM and no more money!


> Hi David,
>
> I've been trying to find some perspective other than my default (which
> thinks inheritance is perfectly fine and great) to look at this, and it
> struck me that the current situation is already damn near perfect. A
> nice, notorized Will and Testament gives each person the CHOICE of how
> their earnings and possessions are divvied up in their stead. If they
> earned 'em, hell, it's their call. If someone wants to give their wealth
> to the poor (say, through an organization, church, whatever), they can
> do so. They can give it to their kids if they so choose. More likely,
> though, is that most philanthropy will be done during their lifetime
> through donations if that's really what they want to do with their 
> earnings.
>
> We have the capability in the current system to help our fellow man by
> choice. The fact is that many people choose to help strangers, but most
> people choose to help their families first out of a sense of "need". I
> don't think this comes as a surprise to much of anyone. By merit of the
> dynamics of our economic system, we maintain a partially-contrived
> struggle (measure of wealth) where the balance point of peoples' sense
> of need and possession (selfishness vs self-comfort) is tested. Interest
> rates and inflation, both artifices of our economy, are adjusted to
> maintain the highest steady pace possible. Due to these dynamics of our
> world economy, I doubt we'll ever reach an utopian future where everyone
> feels they have more than they need and always help their neighbors.
> Unless we somehow obviate the need for inflation and thus destroy the
> perceived decline of vested value over time, but I can't figure a
> feasible way for that to happen.
>
> -Laird
>
> David M wrote:
>>
>> I kind of thought most of you would realise
>>  that I am talking about people inheriting wealth
>>  when their parents die and they are typically in their
>>  thirties. Children in the sense of having parents
>>  not in being young!
>>
>>  David M
>>
>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Heather Perella" <spiritualadirondack at yahoo.com>
>>> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 3:52 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [MD] No more SOM and no more money!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> [David M]
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can't see why children should inherit their
>>>>>>
>>>>> parents wealth?
>>>>>
>>>>    Why not?  Is everything to be societal oriented?
>>>> We work for society more than for family, at least
>>>> that's what worktime during the week dictates and
>>>> loads upon the average worker.  Energy to do something
>>>> at home tends to decrease.  That's why there's this
>>>> idea to have all of these electrical appliances.  The
>>>> thought is these items will save time at home, make
>>>> life more convenient and easier, and put in
>>>> perspective of the society and workplace, these
>>>> appliances make it easier for the worker.  What of the
>>>> parent that stays home, and has the conveniences to
>>>> make life easier for him or her?  Well, that parent is
>>>> not at home that much anymore, so that question is
>>>> growing invalid.  Did those appliances make life
>>>> easier?  Yes, we have more time away from the slower
>>>> paced clothe washing and cooking, but that time is
>>>> filled with other activities.  This culture thrives on
>>>> filling the time with busyness.  A?
>>>>
>>>> SA
>>>>
>>>>
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