[MD] tiny skull... change... nothingness...

[Micah]

Ham,

The universe is neither intelligent, nor designed - it is. What design the
universe could have been is a misapplication of mathematical probability.
Before the fact there are probabilities, after the fact there are
certainties. The universe is. You anthropomorphize when you say the universe
is intelligently designed, or could be. Which brings us to the certainty -
"man is the measure of all things". This is so simple, that it is easily
misunderstood, but even here, in this forum, we are attempting to be the
measure of reality, although most cannot see that - the need to deny the
truth of the statement "man is the measure of all things" through deities,
extraterrestrials, or alternative realities is stunning, and for me
incomprehensible and yet it is undeniable. But I cannot know the truth of
that statement for you, you must see it for yourself. My earlier posts on
this subject were an attempt to establish a starting point for a discussion
on Quality and Pirsig, which was Pirsig's starting point, and yet completely
lost on those here - strange...in a Pirsig forum. But without understanding
of that initial statement, you cannot have a meaningful conversation on
Pirsig, so I will no longer try. I'll just monitor the fumbling, until the
lights are finally turned on, which of course assumes knowledge of light and
that appears to be a stretch.


So long, and thanks for the fish!

Micah


-----Original Message-----
From: moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org
[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of Ham Priday
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:28 PM
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] tiny skull... change... nothingness...



Micah --

> The universe is intelligently designed?
> Compared to what other design?

What other design can you compare it with?  Any design you come up with is
included in the universe or is made possible by it.

Ham



moq_discuss mailing list
Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
Archives:
http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/