[MD] Nest of Vipers

[ARLO J BENSINGER JR]

[Mark]
In fact, this may be a good reason not to deny it happened as it's so well
referenced just in case people suspect dishonesty.

[Arlo]
So, since the paper itself is bereft of any intellectual valuable content, I
just don't see the "lesson" you feel needs to be articulated on these sites.
That "we were scammed"? I think the only thing that serves is catering to the
ego of the scammer.

You want DMB and Ant and Horse and all who were gullible enough to fall for
these shennanigans to flog themselves publically? I mean, that's what it seems
like it boils down to. What other purpose could there be for demanding they
make reference to the fact that they were scammed?

[Platt]
Definitely low intellectual quality, like the communist practice of eliminating
from the historical record individuals and events deemed to be threats to the
state.

[Arlo]
I doubt anyone feels the hoax is a "threat to the MOQ". And, if its an
"embarassment" to anyone, its G/S/R, who would be better served developing
something he believes in, or authoring an intellectual statement of opposition.
That he relies on ridicule only proves its a social attack. If its an
"intellectual attack", where's the beef? I mean, I think Limbaugh is a fool,
but I don't spend my time going to Rush events and ridiculing people, or
trolling discussion groups telling people how stupid they are. That's a pretty
low-quality way to spend the day.

[Platt]
So it was embarrassing to a couple of people. So what? Who hasn't been
embarrassed from time to time? Let us not sacrifice intellectual truth to
biological feelings.

[Arlo]
What "intellectual truth" is being sacrificed? Why is it an "intellectual truth"
to demand that people who were scammed publically admit to the scam? The truth
is out there (or so Mulder tells me). The hoax is readily and easily found on
the web.

[Mark]
There's not one syllable in the hoax paper which is personal in that it is
attacking, insulting, threatening, abusive, or in any sense  denigrating to
anyone let alone Anthony.

[Arlo]
Then what do the syllables do? What value do they add to the MOQ?

[Mark]
They miss the truth Arlo. If truth has no value in this forum i think it's all
the worse for it.

[Arlo]
Okay, the truth is that someone conned Ant and others who sought to bring
together discussion on the MOQ. Why is that truth valuable? To show how Ant is
a buffoon? That the MOQ is a cult? Are these the "intellectual truths" that are
being suppressed?

[Mark]
It is a matter of historical truth the paper was delivered at the conference.

[Arlo]
If I walked into a conference on Nietzsche and started screaming how he is the
devil, you would likely not find reference to it in the conference archives,
despite it being a "historical truth". What is documented, what SHOULD be
documented, are relevant, important and meaningul activities. A hoax hardly
qualifies.

I do keep asking myself, were I a "newbie", and I've just read ZMM/Lila, and I
stumbled on Ant's site seeking more information, what exactly do I MISS by
having the hoax omitted? If you say "knowing it happened", I ask "why is that
important? why am I better off knowing Ant was hoaxed than not?" Also, if I
find later G/S/R's site on the hoax, I can make up my own mind about its
merits, and whatever claim about the MOQ he intended to make.