[MD] economic pragmatism

[Platt Holden]

Hello Mark --

> > Mark 19-11-06: Hello Gav,
> > I've given this some thought before  i was ever introduced to the moq
> > and the moq has provided a frame for  looking at this afresh. Here is
> > a starter: First off, Humans are  evolutionary speaking animals, that
> > is to say,  biological  patterns. Therefore, these patterns should be
> > supported as a matter  of  necessity. 1. All biologically supporting
> > requirements should  be provided free: Food,  water, health care,
> > shelter, energy, and
> >  must harmonise with the  biosphere.
> 
> Provided by whom?
> 
> Mark 19-11-06b: Hello Platt,
> Provided by farmers growing local produce freely dispensed.
> Such individuals should me accorded the highest social status and 
> respect.

What happens to the farmer who doesn't want to give away the crops 
she's worked hard to grow and harvest? 

> > Note a: We need a Planetary
> > population stable  around a sustainable  volume. Humans are the basis
> > for a culture of  social and intellectual  patterns. Social patterns
> > are imitated  which implies a form of indoctrination. Therefore the
> > best patterns for  imitating should be encouraged. These would  appear
> > to include the  belief that 1 is basic.
> 
> Indoctrinate the belief there's a land of milk  and honey free for the
> taking? I don't think so.
> 
> Mark 19-11-06b:
> Land does not belong to anyone. I've emphasised that in 2.
> As one saying goes, 'There is enough for everyone's need, not for 
> everyone's greed.'

If the land doesn't belong to anyone, what's to stop someone from 
coming in building houses on the land used by a farmer? 

> 2. Beyond that, caring for others, a
> > distaste  for violence, lack of  territorial boundary, the
> > encouragement of  realising individual talents,  provided free, and
> > must not
> >  destabilise 1
> 
> Provided free? By whom? No private property (boundaries)  either?
> 
> Mark 19-11-06b:
> By peers. A community of artists provide for fellow artists, a community
> of  crafts provide for fellow crafters, etc. Those patterns usually
> regarded as property are really relationships. The  best property is a
> good relationship, and individuals can only form a limited  number of
> them in a lifetime. Having, 'things' sitting in your garage all year 
> long for no purpose other than to arbitrarily regard them as, 'owned' is
>  sick.

Is the hardworking farmer suppose to feed a community of artists?
What happens if she refuses?

> > Note b: We need a Planetary government which does not
> >  bias tribes. Social patterns support intellectual patterns.
> 
> You want a  bunch of tin horn dictators in the U.N. ruling your life? No
> thanks.
> 
> Mark 19-11-06b:
> There wouldn't be any nations for to unite Platt. No boundaries, no 
> nations. People come before nations.

Who or what protects and preserves the rights of free speech, free 
travel, freedom of religion, trial by jury, gun ownership, etc?  

> > 3.
> > Information must be a  free exchange provided free, and must not
> > destabilise 1 and  2.
> 
> Information from whom? Who decides what "destabilizes" 1 and 2?
> 
> Mark 19-11-06b:
> Information from the Human encyclopaedia of static patterns.
> Everyone decides what destabilises 1 and 2. Those who care more about
> the  environment would be listened to and respected for their care in
> that  regard. Those who care about social harmony would be listened to
> and respected for  their care in that regard.

How does "everyone decide?"

> > Note c: Religion must be replaced by  an
> > appreciation of the  undifferentiated aesthetic  continuum.
> 
> So much for free exchange of information.
> 
> Mark 19-11-06b:
> In time people may come to regard religions as immature.

What happens to someone who starts and maintains a Christian 
radio station?

> > That's  my
> > basic framework around which an economic pattern may be   developed.
> > Love, Mark
> 
> My basic framework for an economic pattern  is like Pirsig's -- a free
> market consisting of free people exchanging  freely created goods and
> services according to freely determined  values.
> 
> Platt
> 
> Mark 19-11-06b:
> Free to treat children as economic units you mean.

Not a value to most people. 

Platt