[MD] Debate on Science_ReligionToday

[gav]

ahh, but what happens when science becomes a
religion....

dawkins and weinberg are hardly helping matters,
unless their avowed nihilism is taken as a stepping
stone rather than the destination that they take it to
be (their best years are def behind them).

of course we need to be fair: science is still
generally swimming around in SOM....it is up to
philosophy to help them get out of the kiddie pool.
 

--- Robert Robinson <bill_robbie at yahoo.com> wrote:

> NY Times weekly Tuesday's Science Section today had
> a by "George Johnson" article devoted to the
> Science/ Religion debate that reminds one of
> discussions that appear in this group periodically. 
>    
>   The article quoted Dr. Steve Weinberg, "the more
> the universe seems comprehensible, the more it also
> seems pointless", then he goes further: "Anything
> that we scientists can do to weaken the hold of
> religion should be done and may in the end be our
> greatest contribution to civilization."
>    
>   Dr. Rich Dawkins (Oxford Evolutionary biologist)
> and conferee at the reported on event is author of
> the National best seller book "The God Delusion."
>    
>   The article makes the point that when scientists
> periodically convert from experimentation, problem
> solving, fact and evidence gathering to the God
> justification for natural phenomena than their most
> productive life as a creative cutting edge scientist
> are usually about over.
>    
>   The article begins with another Steve
> Weinberg...Nobel Laureate, physics quotation, "The
> world need to wake up from its long nightmare of
> religious belief". Moreover, Dawkins believes
> religious education is "brain-washing" and "Child
> abuse."
>    
>   One speaker after another lined up to present the
> general message challenging scientists to be less
> timid about challenging unverifiable teachings about
> nature based only on scripture and belief. Science's
> core being: intellectual honesty, said Sam Harris, a
> doctoral student in Neuroscience and the author of
> "The End of Faith: Religion, Terror and the Future
> of Reason" and "Letter to a Christian Nation."
>    
>   Another profound moment was Nobelist, chemistry by
> Sir Harold Krot's: call for  the John Templeton
> Foundation to give its next prize for "progress in
> spiritual discoveries" to an atheist.  I myself
> would wish to nominate the 14th Dalia Lama for this
> prize.
>    
>   Does anything in this post contain information
> that might conflict with our societies social immune
> system? If so you might try writing a letter to the
> Editor of the Time's science page very soon!.
>   An unedited video of the reported on proceedings
> will be posted on the web at tsntv.org
>    
>   If this subject interests anyone they should
> examine the source: page D1 of Nov. 21, 2006 of the
> N. Y. Times...the newspaper.
>    
>   "Mary Poppins" Robbie
> 
> craigerb at comcast.net wrote:
>   [gav]
> > the labour of the workers generates the wealth of
> the 'owner' class. 
> 
> 
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