[MD] Sin Part 1

[Platt Holden]

> [Platt]
> If we cut and run, freedom and liberty is doomed in Iraq.
> 
> [Case]
> DUH! Like it is guaranteed if we stay?

DUH! Like it has a chance if we stay.

> [Platt]
> Terrorists are not subject to international law. The Geneva convention
> does not apply.
> 
> [Case]
> Like the only good Indian is a dead Indian? Or like sending people with
> slanty eyes, to Manzanar? Or stringing up dark skinned men who flirt
> with light skinned women?

A complete non sequitur. What's with your guilty conscience?

> [Platt]
> If I'm caught with a bomb strapped to my waist, a machine gun in my
> hands and a towel covering my face, my rights are forfeited, yes.
> 
> [Case]
> The bomb might be probable cause for an arrest and charges. The rest is
> legal.

Might be probable cause? Are you kidding?.

> [Platt]
> Pay or risk jail. You call that freedom?
> 
> [Case]
> You think we should let freeloaders into the system?

The poor don't pay income taxes. So freeloaders are already part of the 
system. 

> [Platt]
> That's a  supreme court decision I'm not familiar with.
> 
> [Case]
> I'm not surprised.

Cite the case and the decision.

> [Platt]
> Not without threatening force, never overtly of course,  but always
> implied.
> 
> [Case]
> You don't think the government should use force?

To defend the nation and to bring criminals to justice, yes. But not to 
force busing of children,  practice reverse discrimination with 
affirmative action programs, restrict campaign speech, prevent 
construction of nuclear electric plants, etc., etc.

 [Platt]
> Thanks for the historical correction. You're right --  takers shaft the
> makers. (I love the way you define the wealthy as "irregular" folk.)
> 
> [Case]
> Irregular folks would be those two or more standard deviations from the
> mean. It is the shape of the curve that matters.

Last time I looked, the wealthy were just as much citizens as the 
"regular folk." You've heard of equality before the law I presume.

> [Platt]
> Perhaps if I remind you of the millions slaughtered by their own 
> governments you'll get an inkling of my point.
> 
> [Case]
> Why do I have to keep reminding you this is about the Sins of We the
> people. Are you trying to bring up slavery and the Native American
> genocide again? Are you talking about the Trail of Tears and the
> Seminole Wars?

Nothing compared to atheistic Nazism and Communism in the 20th century.
Anyway, your guilty conscience is showing. Anyone would think you were 
personally responsible for Custer's Last Stand. Just goes to show your 
collective mindset.

> [Platt]
> Stupid in hindsight, perhaps. But at the time when all the world's
> intelligence agencies were saying that Saddam was stockpiling WMD and
> developing atomic weapons, even "We the People" as represented in
> Congress sanctioned "going in." As Yogi Berra said, " We made too many
> wrong mistakes" afterwards -- like not being ruthless.
> 
> [Case]
> Stupid for believing the cynical distortions manipulated by the
> Administration. George Tenant, Bob Graham and others including British
> intelligence have all said this was crap. The French and the Germans
> smelled it for what it was from the start. 

Your attempt to rewrite history doesn't wash. 

> [Platt]
> I wish. I'm a minority of one and the majority strips away my property
> every April 15. 
> 
> [Case]
> What makes me unhappy is when people who think like you do show up for
> revenge on the first Tuesday in November.   

What happens on the first Tuesday in November?
 
> [Platt]
> Surely you know that since the Constitutional Convention of 1787,
> elected representatives cannot vote to overthrow our system of   
> government and the Bill of Rights which, along with the Declaration, is
> the basis of individual intellectual freedom. I suppose of course we
> could have a Communist-style revolution if our educational system
> dominated by left-wingers manages to indoctrinate enough young people in
> the glories of Marxism.
> 
> [Case]
> I have showed you several times in this thread that what you say above
> is nonsensical and anti-American. If this you don't love this country
> and it's economic system why don't you walk and walk and hop the fence?

You have showed nothing of the sort. I love this country as it was 
intended to be and can be with an MOQ approved Dynamic free market.  So 
I'll stay and work to make it that way. I gather you would like to 
deport all those who disagree with you. 

> [Platt]
> Because of the history of Germany, Russia, China and a few other 
> "People's Republics"  in the 20th century.
> 
> [Case]
> If you are implying here that the current administration and the
> political philosophy spawned by Ronald Reagan is the antithesis of the
> American Vision of liberty and justice for all, then the comparison does
> seem apt.

"We the People" elected Reagan overwhelmingly twice. By cutting taxes 
he increased liberty and justice for all, and with Margaret Thatcher's 
help, secured a safer world by defeating Communist Russia. Not a bad 
record I'd say. Is your objection to the Reagan philosophy that 
government isn't big enough?

Platt