[MD] Debate on Science_ReligionToday

[David M]

Hi Platt

on this I am 100% with you, but some scientists 
are trying to get past SOM.

David M

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Platt Holden" <pholden at davtv.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 2:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Debate on Science_ReligionToday


> Hi Robbie, All
> 
> I read the article with a deep sense of sadness tinged with anger. Here 
> are a group of supposedly "the best and brightest" preaching the gospel 
> according to the church of scientism and claiming they have "a monopoly 
> on truth." Richard Dawkins, who wrote "The God Delusion" and a hero 
> among atheists, is no less a absolutist than the Rev. Jerry Farwell, 
> and twice as arrogant. These people have no clue about art and beauty, 
> not to mention Pirsig's assessment that:
> 
> "The reality science explains is that 'reality' which follows 
> mechanisms and programs. That other worthless stuff which doesn't 
> follow mechanisms and programs we don't pay any attention to." (lila, 
> 11)
> 
> That "other worthless stuff" is only what we live for!
> 
> Best,
> Platt
> 
> 
>> NY Times weekly Tuesday's Science Section today had a by "George
>> Johnson" article devoted to the Science/ Religion debate that reminds
>> one of discussions that appear in this group periodically. 
>> 
>>   The article quoted Dr. Steve Weinberg, "the more the universe seems
>>   comprehensible, the more it also seems pointless", then he goes
>>   further: "Anything that we scientists can do to weaken the hold of
>>   religion should be done and may in the end be our greatest
>>   contribution to civilization."
>> 
>>   Dr. Rich Dawkins (Oxford Evolutionary biologist) and conferee at the
>>   reported on event is author of the National best seller book "The God
>>   Delusion."
>> 
>>   The article makes the point that when scientists periodically convert
>>   from experimentation, problem solving, fact and evidence gathering to
>>   the God justification for natural phenomena than their most productive
>>   life as a creative cutting edge scientist are usually about over.
>> 
>>   The article begins with another Steve Weinberg...Nobel Laureate,
>>   physics quotation, "The world need to wake up from its long nightmare
>>   of religious belief". Moreover, Dawkins believes religious education
>>   is "brain-washing" and "Child abuse."
>> 
>>   One speaker after another lined up to present the general message
>>   challenging scientists to be less timid about challenging unverifiable
>>   teachings about nature based only on scripture and belief. Science's
>>   core being: intellectual honesty, said Sam Harris, a doctoral student
>>   in Neuroscience and the author of "The End of Faith: Religion, Terror
>>   and the Future of Reason" and "Letter to a Christian Nation."
>> 
>>   Another profound moment was Nobelist, chemistry by Sir Harold Krot's:
>>   call for  the John Templeton Foundation to give its next prize for
>>   "progress in spiritual discoveries" to an atheist.  I myself would
>>   wish to nominate the 14th Dalia Lama for this prize.
>> 
>>   Does anything in this post contain information that might conflict
>>   with our societies social immune system? If so you might try writing a
>>   letter to the Editor of the Time's science page very soon!. An
>>   unedited video of the reported on proceedings will be posted on the
>>   web at tsntv.org
>> 
>>   If this subject interests anyone they should examine the source: page
>>   D1 of Nov. 21, 2006 of the N. Y. Times...the newspaper.
> 
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