[MD] freedom is for the rich

[Micah]

Steve H,

Yes, you advocate slavery when you propose to force some to pay for others.
You haven't answered the question, by what right?

I would choose to help the man in need of water, because I value life and
that is an affirmation of principle for me, which is a selfish reason that I
would be proud to act upon.

Micah


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[Micah]
You haven't said how you propose to supply the minimum standard of living.
Please elaborate.

Yes, I agree that you have a right to life, but living is a personal
responsibility. You are still proposing that some pay for others, and again
I ask you - by what right?

[Steve H]
Well, how do we supply the minimum standard of living right now?
Usually some type of welfare, but I think that system is far from
sufficient.  The fact that it is government funded I don't think is a
problem.  I think we need to increase the sense of community in our
cities and towns, how to do that I'm not sure.  I think people need to
realize somehow that "we're all in this community together and if one
of us falls, we should help him back up, because we would want him to
be help us if we fell."  We should refrain from helping them up too
much, and we should refrain from helping them for too long.  How do we
determine how much is too much and how long is too long?  I'm not
sure.

By what right?  I think if we have a sense of community, we would
realize that some people in poverty still contribute to the well-being
of the community (or have the potential to contribute, that's why I
have used children as an example before).  So if they are willing to
help the well-being of the community, they should be able to receive
help from the community if needed.

[Micah]
You do not know what I would do, in the "dying of thirst" scenario you
suggest - don't assume my response to your "most ridiculous extreme"
scenario. You are being an ass.

I also think you owe Ham and Platt an apology for assuming their responses
to your "most ridiculous extreme" scenario.

[Steve H]
I apologize to all three of you for assuming your responses to that
scenario.  What I was trying to do was apply your logic (or at least
my understanding of your logic) to a situation where it would be
certain that the logic would fail.  Apparently I don't completely
understand "individual freedom."  Obviously you would help the man
dying of thirst, but how would you not consider that
"anti-individualist?"

Regards,
Steve H

P.S.  Anything less than individual freedom is slavery?  Are you
saying I advocate slavery?  Don't assume something like this about my
position if you don't want me to assume your response in the "dying of
thirst" scenario.

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