[MD] moral judgements

[MarshaV]

At 08:01 PM 11/26/2006, you wrote:

> > Marsha:
> > I don't like being in moral judgements.  So, I'm looking for a MOQ
> > definition of moral?  With/without judgements?  I haven't found a
> > definition that appeals to me yet.  Could it be as simple as
> > valuable-good-moral, with the emphasis on valuable?
> >
>
>Platt:
>In the MOQ, values and morals are synonyms. Thus, value judgments are moral
>judgments. In Note 124 of Lila's Child, Pirsig explains the pervasiveness of
>morality. "You can't even get out of bed in the morning without making a value
>judgment that it is better to do so.  The question is, 'Why can't some people
>see that a value judgment is in operation?' Or, to put it better, 'Why do they
>see it but insist that they do not see it?'  This was the question 
>that haunted
>Phaedrus in his English classes in Bozeman."

Platt & SA,

"But the words get in the way."

This is hard.  Sometimes I think I'm 'in the groove', but then the 
wind shifts or something, and I'm scrambling to make adjustments.

Funny thing is the last chapter I read before putting the book 
(Lili's Child) down was Chapter 12.  I really like what you wrote in 
the 'Reality is Quality' section.

No matter how I squint, I cannot understand Quality/DQ as other than 
amoral, beyond good, and beyond morality.   If everything is Quality, 
there is no way to get outside to experience it objectively.  Like 
you said, Platt, you can't kiss your own face. So moral statements 
and judgements are forever incomplete, and therefore inaccurate and 
sometimes even nonsense.  Whether good is a noun (thing) or adjective 
(judgement), it just doesn't make sense.

Sometimes there seems to be so much contradiction that I want to 
throw it all across the room.  But I will not willingly leave this 
forum until 50% of the participants are women.  That's something to 
think about since most of the important learning is taught by mother.

I'd write more, but that would only create a larger tangle of words.

So can anyone help me put together a coherent question?

Marsha