[MD] Debate on Science_ReligionToday

[ian glendinning]

Agreed on all counts Khaled.

Too highly centralised modes of governance (of anything) are bad news,
except in abnormal "emergencies", like armed conflict, with terminal
downsides.

And, it is perfectly proper that the root of any metaphysics is
undefinable. Pirsig got it right there (at least he did in ZMM, he
perhaps tried to hard too define it in Lila, in his ambivalent
aspiration to make it to the shelves of mainstream philosophology. A
major danger is mistaking definition for understanding - Minsky)

Oh, and "striving" - with humans as the current pinnacle of earthbound
MoQ-Intellectual evolution - "intent" or "motivation" is pretty well
everything - everything under some semblance of our control anyway.

All IMHO, natch
Ian

On 11/27/06, Khaled Alkotob <khaledsa at juno.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 11:43:23 -0600 "ian glendinning"
> <psybertron at gmail.com> writes:
> > Hi Khaled,
> > I like your thinking ...
> > If I could join two of your points together ...
> >
> > >
> > > Objective thinking is not in vogue anymore.
> > > .... and ...
> > > A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
> > >
> >
> > I think people believe in objective thinking (based on dangerously
> > little knowledge), but their actions are not as objective as they
> > think. (This thought / action dilemma I keep mentioning.)
> >
> > Something needs redefining here, whether its objectivism or
> > knowledge,
> > but we easily get into word-games as you say. I just say MoQ for
> > short.
> >
> > One inescapable fact for me is that progress needs to recognise the
> > layering of knowledge, and accept some sort of "intellectual
> > elitism",
> > subject to pragmatic / democratic checks and balances naturally.
> > Without it any argument (in words) can appear as good as any other,
> > and incredibly bad decisions get made and justified.
>
>
> [Khaled]
> One thing to add to that. Decentralizing. The one size fits all attitude
> does not work. Even McDonald's and KFC realize that by making regional
> foods for the different areas of the globe they are in.
> That was the genius of Persig in keeping quality undefined. Nonetheless,
> you have to keep in mind that it's quality you are striving for.
>
> Khaled
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