[MD] on the radio

[David M]

Hi Ian

I was glad John  brought up the new
interest in the ability to alter the genome
via gene switches which may introduce 
some feed back from experience into evolution
other than mere elimination which has always
struck me as a process incapable of building
anything, much like an infinite number of monkeys
trying to type Hamlet and someone helping out
by removing the monkeys that are least near to
typing out Hamlet, problem is you are appealing
to an infinity that is not available and such an availability
of variety (Darwin's unjustified elephant) could only
give you chaos. He used dog breeding as an example,
and recently it has been shown that dogs have exceptional
variety in their gene pool that is not found elsewhere
which points out a general problem of inadequate
variety to support the theory and also to explain why 
dogs are so exceptional.

Ask an engineer who understands the complexity 
of living organisms if they are convinced by selected
variety as explaining evolution. I find engineers are
more skeptical than average as using design 
is far from the easy option.

NB obviously evolution is a fact but is Darwin the final word?
Say yes and sign up to to dogmatism and a life of secular faith.

I don't suggest nature is pre-designed, but is there more quality
recognising intelligence involved than orthodoxy allows?
At least the MOQ could explore this whilst SOM could not.

Over to you Ian.

David M

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ian glendinning" <psybertron at gmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] on the radio


> For those interested in the selfish / slefless "altruism" debate, I
> can endorse David M's recommendation.
> 
> Just listened to it. Excellent.
> 
> Interesting that the subtle differences between Dupre and Dawkins are
> effectively just word-games in the end, and that it's the social
> (cultural) vs individual distinction that merits most debate.
> 
> Also interesting that Bragg refers to religion as "the elephant in the
> room" and introduces it as something "to be discussed, before putting
> it to one side".
> 
> Ian
> 
> On 11/25/06, David M <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> this was quite good if you missed it:
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/inourtime.shtml
>>
>> on altruism with Dawkins, and the vey good John Dupre
>>
>> David M
>>
>>
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