[MD] Sin Part 1

[hzeytin at gmail.com]

Good time to jump in the river it seems. 
I can't/ won't deem to be a radical evolutionist, but want point to certain aspects of it. 
"Survival of the fittest" equals Darwinism, is what is now called Social Darwinism. Evolution is not limited to survival of the fittest, but simply a function of variation, mutation and adaptation. Moreover when it comes to MoQ perspective, recent discussions on multi-level group adaptation would need to be factored in, which in mainstream is controversial, but was one of the catchpoints for me in reading MoQ, how Pirsig views it, I.e. his explanation of NYC as a "organisation". 
Secondly, the molecular biological nature of evolution (which I am one of those that doesn't believe that evolution is not only applicable to organic matter but e.g. to mobile phones, or music or ideas as well), is I believe a perfect home for what again surprised me very pleasantly when I read Pirsig mention how inorganic matter "behaves" in a way that recognizes value. Of course biology does not act against physics and chemistry. It IS physics and chemistry in an "organized" form! Hence the inorganic-organic, as is the further organization of the organic forming the social level. It is evolution (within time) that allow for some individuals and their attempts for creating social ties and structures to succeed and grow. And, ultimately it is the intellect that whatever knowledge it derives from the multi-layered social interactions keeps reshaping the perception of all the levels it evolves from in a perpetual cycle.
Third, I read there was some consensus that agents within evolutionary process are fundamentally selfish. Well it is not so. Will need to dig out recent research on this for you, but it has become more and more demonstrable that within groups there is a healthy mix of altruism and selfishness in all agents, and usually its a matter of "who's turn it is this time". One common example is the V shaped flight of the geese where everyone behind the leader benefit from the aerodynamic lift she creates with most effort, and eventually the ones at the tails who appear as "free riders" at first sight take their turns to lead. 
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Eventually I'll need to read through the archives, and listen more to see what's been covered here, but love to get back on the atheist-bashing I see here quite so often,(if anybody sees it worthwhile :) I would love to hear more about the combatibility of MoQ with God. My argument would be that MoQ leaves no room for a creator. No-thingness is what it is.
Best wishes to all,
Haydar
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