[MD] are theism and mysticism mutually exclusive notions?

[David M]

Hi Platt

Good point, my point was simply that the limited outlook
of SOM is at the reductionist end of science a sort of SQ
with no DQ. And part of what DQ is about is the challenge
to SQ monism.

DM


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Subject: Re: [MD] are theism and mysticism mutually exclusive notions?


> Quoting David M <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk>:
>
>> Hi Case
>>
>>  My own view is that Pirsig took an outstanding first crack at a
>> > metaphysics of uncertainty. Clearly, few here agree with me on this but
>> > that
>> > is where I think transformative power of the MoQ lies.
>> >
>> David M: I think this is right on the money. Pirsig I believe
>> offers an entirely new kind of metaphysics and by jove
>> it fits with exactly what the cutting egde of science is pointing
>> at. Uncertainty and openness, yes, and these have political
>> consequences too, it says to me, yes, there is always an
>> alternative.
>
> I think rather than Pirsig taking a first crack at a metaphysics of 
> uncertainty
> he took a crack at a metaphysics of morality. Uncertainty is such a 
> familiar
> part of reality in our experience it needs no further explanation other
> than no one knows for sure what will happen next. Everybody agrees the 
> future is
> uncertain and unpredictable except for death and taxes. Nothing new here. 
> No first
> crack. Just the certainty of uncertainty. But what is new and astounding 
> is
> Pirsig's claim that that all that has happened in the past and will happen 
> in the
> future can be attributed to a moral force, to Dynamic Quality. Now that's 
> a first
> crack at a new metaphysics if there ever was one -- one that our science 
> friends
> would never conceive of in their wildest dreams.
>
> Platt
>
>
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