[MD] New Model Army, Mystic(DQ) Experience, and Religion (SQ) as Power

[Micah]

DM,

You said "This gets the MOQ mixed up with your prejudices. I don't dig
shitting
that much but can't do without it."

Only a man full of shit could make such a statement. We all enjoy shitting,
we may not be giddy about it, but the joy of relief is unmistakable.

Micah


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Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 11:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [MD] New Model Army, Mystic(DQ) Experience,and Religion
(SQ) as Power


Hi DuMBy

> David M, advocate of the flat-Earth society,

DM: That's you, mine's got bumps and curves and is alot more interesting.

> dmb says:
> Gee - thanks for your concern about how I gotta live, mom. The problem is
> not about me and a person doesn't need to be an American to know what I'm
> talking about. Religion is constantly in the headlines throughout the
> Western world. War, terrorism and genocide is going on right now and
> religious hostilities play a large role in these horrors.

DM: The major role?

 I'm not
> complaining about my friends and neigbors, you know? They pretty much feel
> the way I do. Its just a matter of degree, but not disagreement. I'm
> talking
> about history and current events and metaphysics, not my personal
> struggles.

DM: If your ideas don't connect to your life, what's the point?

> I think this mess needs to be framed in terms of the evolutionary conflict
> between social and intellectual values, not in terms of how we feel about
> personally.

DM: I agree. In these terms my point is that religion does emerge as
v.important
on the lower levels and still has a role on the intellectual level. My point
is
that these are levels, if you throw away the lower levels when you get to
the top the whole thing falls down, that's what you appear to want to do.
The MOQ way to look at this is that you keep the lower levels going from
your new height, you just look at them differently. You are having some sort
of fantasy that you can do without the lower levels and still live on the
higher
level. This gets the MOQ mixed up with your prejudices. I don't dig shitting
that much but can't do without it.

>
> And think about how odd it is to defend the belief in God. Why not the
> gods?
> Why not the gods and goddess and their children and their half-mortal
> rivals. How about the Titans and Fire-breathing dragons? Where do you draw
> the line on a thing like that? Why is it not ridiculous to keep hanging on
> to that one last God? Gods come and go, Dave. We don't worship the Sun
> anymore

DM: I agree, religion, worship, etc evolves. Chances are there are more gods
to come, that's my point, chances are the values and qualities of religion
will
keep re-emerging in new forms, they are there is science rather obviously to
anyone with an eye for metaphors and re-hashed concepts, you know, educated.

and in the future the Pope may seem as ridiculous as a witch doctor
> in a Three Stooges movie. Come to think of it, those Pope clothes are
> kinda
> fruity even to contemporary eyes. My point? It looks to me like theistic
> religion is fading fast already.

DM: I'd say religion is going backwards quite a lot at the moment, and
failing
to swallow certain bitter pills that need to be swallowed to move forward.
You just come across like there never was a counter enlightnment.

I think we are now witnessing its last
> desperate acts.

DM: Yes, in its current inadequate form.

 On some level, I think most people know that its a vestige
> of the past, obsolete already and they're very upset about that fact. You
> know, denial and rage are part of the grieving process and, historically
> speaking, God died just the other day.

DM: Yes, one kind off god, as you recognise above, that makes room for
new ones. Go and read Don Cupitt's Religion of Being to see the future.

>
> And on a philosophical level, there are many reasons why theism doesn't
> work
> in the MOQ, but now even I am bored by that schpeil.

DM: Even my dog can't hold an old bone like you can!

>
> Sweet dreams, Jesus freak.

DM:  Not me, you're the one obsessed with Christians, I haven't seen one for
years.

>
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