[MD] Flying Spagetti Monsters

[Micah]

Gene,

Your point is that you "believe". And I agree that you believe. Religious
people believe a god exists and secular people believe reality exists
independent of humans. Neither position can be shown to be true, they are
acts of faith. I don't have a faith.

You are asking me to have a faith and step into one of the two accepted
faith boxes above. We all know the territory there, and they're dead ends.
I'm asking you to use logic in deconstructing the nature of reality...and
then to use logic to reconstruct the nature of reality. I'm building a new
box. Pirsig says "when on the horns of a dilemma, take the third option".

The box I'm building is, at the very least, interesting. The other boxes
have holes in them, and I don't like drafts.


Micah


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Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 11:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [MD] Flying Spagetti Monsters


Micah, I'm pretty sure we all agree with your point. At least, I do. It is
completely valid, logical and cannot ever conceivably be proven wrong. Sadly
that doesn't mean it's right. Nothing can be shown to a Human that is
independent of humans. You are boxed into you human-centric world, and
within it's context your point is inviolable.

I am simply asking you to step Out of the box and accept as a premise that
other things can have their own personal cognizance and own frame of
reference.

If you can't accept that, then it is you fault we cannot communicate, not
mine.

I get your point, will you choose to get mine?

-Gene

On 10/12/06, Micah <micah at roarkplumbing.com> wrote:
>
> SA,
>
> You are confused, we now exist independent of the Dodo bird (extinct), and
> we would still exist if we killed all monkeys (which I do not advocate),
> but
> nothing can be shown to exist independent of humans and I hate to keep
> harping on this - but this a fact. I know of only one reality - please
> describe the "other" reality.
>
> Micah
>
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